The arrogance of some people

[Whiteroom]

Would you prefer i let the tank drop to 40% hp before healing? Spamming Cure 1 is more MP efficient then using larger heals, not only that the free cure proc is pretty handy. So you can get a high healing rate for very little mana use, the issue comes down to cleric stance cd, which is 5 seconds, in a large mob group 5 secs is enough time to kill a tank.

Do you not prep for dps? This may be why you find it hard. You should always have at least regen on them when you go to cleric. For example the first pull in St. Mociannes, all the way to the barrier. Divine Seal, Regen, Asylum, top up tank, Cleric, Swift-Holy-Aero III-Assiez-Holy as many times as allowed-Cleric-Tetra-Shroud-Cure II.

Mana effiecency only matters when you don't have enough PIE. At least as far as pure healing goes, there is no skill or secret to spamming cure for cure II procs. This mana efficency is the most basic kind. If you can spen MP, not steal hate, and get it all back, go for it.

Also, you realize Holy is a stun right. Usually with the above cast chain I see one hit on the tank between the first holy and third holy.

[ScarletDawn]

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Sure i could do this, but its optional, not mandatory..my role is healer, which is to make sure no one dies and everyone is kept healthy..this game has been forcing this stupid mentality of healers MUST dps because of the dps checks...um no DPS just need to get better if we cant meet dps checks then its the DPS not doing their job properly...

With the poor Acc on healer gear we add like what 200-300 more dps? Why cant those dps optimize their rotations to get that extra? Why should i be forced to dps because the DPS are lazy and slacking or not fully doing their job? Im doing my job 100% because my job is to heal the group, not to assist in DPS...

I do not see a Healer/Dps flag when i que for duties.

[Whiteroom]

Sure i could do this, but its optional, not mandatory..my role is healer, which is to make sure no one dies and everyone is kept healthy..this game has been forcing this stupid mentality of healers MUST dps because of the dps checks...um no DPS just need to get better if we cant meet dps checks then its the DPS not doing their job properly...

With the poor Acc on healer gear we add like what 200-300 more dps? Why cant those dps optimize their rotations to get that extra? Why should i be forced to dps because the DPS are lazy and slacking or not fully doing their job? Im doing my job 100% because my job is to heal the group, not to assist in DPS...

I do not see a Healer/Dps flag when i que for duties.

Well yes it's optional, that has never been the argument. You do have the option to play the lazy way. Healing is your primary job when queuing as healer. It is your most important task, but it is not the only thing you are there for. Doing the bare minimum is lazy is what is being discussed here. Also, 200-300 dps? You have displayed a large lack of knowledge of the class with your posts, single target on dummies a WHM can push 800, and in a big pull scenario WHM is almost unmatched in burst damage, the more mobs the better.


Also, "the others are being lazy so I'm not trying." Still means that you are being lazy, I hope you realize this. Hell that attitude is mediocracy at it's finest.

[Lament]

Sure i could do this, but its optional, not mandatory..my role is healer, which is to make sure no one dies and everyone is kept healthy..this game has been forcing this stupid mentality of healers MUST dps because of the dps checks...um no DPS just need to get better if we cant meet dps checks then its the DPS not doing their job properly...

With the poor Acc on healer gear we add like what 200-300 more dps? Why cant those dps optimize their rotations to get that extra? Why should i be forced to dps because the DPS are lazy and slacking or not fully doing their job? Im doing my job 100% because my job is to heal the group, not to assist in DPS...

I do not see a Healer/Dps flag when i que for duties.

You can mash the "I don't have to DPS it's not my job" key all you want, but optimal healer play in the current state of this particular game involves pushing out as much DPS as possible. If you're not optimizing your play you can't fault the DPS for not optimizing their rotations, either. You can't say "I don't want to play my class optimally, everyone else should so I don't have to".

Don't play optimally if you don't want to - in most of the content in this game, that's a non-issue. Just don't complain that others aren't playing optimally either, or that their idea of what a job's responsibilities are is different from yours.

Personally, I think any role's "job" is to help the group as much as possible using the tools available to them. This includes DPS tools when applicable for a healer just as much as defensive tools when applicable for a DPS and Clemency when applicable for a Paladin etc etc.

[ScarletDawn]

I never had to dps in WoW as a Preist, well yes some of the skills dealt both heals and damage but i never needed to...no one ever whined. So why do they whine in this game? Other games like Rift where healers can do both, no one complained when i didnt dps.

[Whiteroom]

I never had to dps in WoW as a Preist, well yes some of the skills dealt both heals and damage but i never needed to...no one ever whined. So why do they whine in this game? Other games like Rift where healers can do both, no one complained when i didnt dps.

Because despite taking a lot from WoW, this game is not WoW or Rift. That is not a hard concept. If I were to play this game like DCUO, my groups would probably be like "wth are you doing..." No idea why you would assume you can play one game the exact same as another by default.

[Lament]

I never had to dps in WoW as a Preist, well yes some of the skills dealt both heals and damage but i never needed to...no one ever whined. So why do they whine in this game? Other games like Rift where healers can do both, no one complained when i didnt dps.

Because this game is not WoW or Rift. It's a different game and a different mentality may apply.

[ScarletDawn]

Because this game is not WoW or Rift. It's a different game and a different mentality may apply.

Doesn't matter we never had this mentality until after final coil, then everyone has this mentality or well most of the hardcore no life do as i say because ive done higher content then you type of people...those who think their special, i have learnt people dont like they are doing their job wrong, instead of saying to the healers "DO DPS U SUCK AT HEALER IF YOU DONT", they could ask "Healer could you please help dps" if you ask nicely then healers will dps.

Healing and dps is not about skill but about confidence, people only do what they feel comfortable.

[Andrea]

Healing and dps is not about skill but about confidence, people only do what they feel comfortable.

That is flat out wrong.

Healing and DPS do come with a bit of skill to say they dont is a lie.

Obviously speaking it takes more skill to know when to dps and when to heal.

[Whiteroom]

Doesn't matter we never had this mentality until after final coil, then everyone has this mentality or well most of the hardcore no life do as i say because ive done higher content then you type of people...those who think their special, i have learnt people dont like they are doing their job wrong, instead of saying to the healers "DO DPS U SUCK AT HEALER IF YOU DONT", they could ask "Healer could you please help dps" if you ask nicely then healers will dps.

Healing and dps is not about skill but about confidence, people only do what they feel comfortable.

I have no idea where this conception that healers never did dps before final coil came from...