Artifact Armors!

[Travesty]

I have thought for a while that the way they might implement advanced jobs within the current weapon locked armory system is to allow you to dual wield. The combination of weapons would result in a transformation of a GLD to a Paladin, for example. It looks like the Paladin weapon is also a two part weapon - a smaller sword melded together with a larger blade, forming the huge weapon he is holding. It could also just be his sword is overlapping a very thin and pointy shield though. We'll have to wait and see.

Uh... that's definitely a shield lol.

On another note - I don't understand why it would be so horrible for ARC to be tied to Bard. After all in FFXI, Bards were one of the most sought after pulling jobs. Like to pull with arrows and deal damage? You went with Ranger. Like to pull with songs and provide party support? You played Bard. Why is this considered such a stretch here?

So because you are capable of pulling with both RNG and BRD in XI, that makes the jobs similar?

Sorry but no. The reason it's such a stretch is because Archer and Bard are completely opposite ends of the spectrum. Everything else regardig the jobs makes sense. LNC to DRG. PGL to MNK. Etc. Archer to Bard makes zero sense. It's wielding 2 completely different things that are wildly unrelated, which is part of the reason that weapon looks so ridiculous. It's also mixing 2 roles that a lot of players are going to dislike having mixed. If their goal is to be a support class, aka Bard, 99% of players are going to be uninterested at best in playing Archer.

And beyond all that... it's just a dumb and lazy idea, dude. They're obviously trying to squeeze a job into a class where it doesn't belong because the Armoury system is so rigid.

Plus, what other weapons are we going to see for a "barcher?" A bowcarina? A pianbow? A blute? Or is it only gonna be harp-bows?

It's just silly.

[Deminia]

Uh... that's definitely a shield lol.



So because you are capable of pulling with both RNG and BRD in XI, that makes the jobs similar?

Sorry but no. The reason it's such a stretch is because Archer and Bard are completely opposite ends of the spectrum. Everything else regardig the jobs makes sense. LNC to DRG. PGL to MNK. Etc. Archer to Bard makes zero sense. It's wielding 2 completely different things that are wildly unrelated, which is part of the reason that weapon looks so ridiculous. It's also mixing 2 roles that a lot of players are going to dislike having mixed. If their goal is to be a support class, aka Bard, 99% of players are going to be uninterested at best in playing Archer.

And beyond all that... it's just a dumb and lazy idea, dude. They're obviously trying to squeeze a job into a class where it doesn't belong because the Armoury system is so rigid.

Plus, what other weapons are we going to see for a "barcher?" A bowcarina? A pianbow? A blute? Or is it only gonna be harp-bows?

It's just silly.

No, just because a job can pull not make it the same, I agree with that. However, since the playerbase clearly placed the Bard job in FFXI in the pulling role, and archer is realistically the only class we have in FFXIV that is a clear pulling job, it made sense to me that SE might have thought the two would go well together. And who says Archer is suddenly a support class just because it might unlock the Bard class?

Also, claiming that 99% of the players will be uninterested in playing ARC if is tied to BRD is quite a broad statement and one not based on facts. This heated debate is clearly very much in two camps - those players for and those who are against the idea. Plenty of players who currently play ARC will be OK with the class being tied to the Bard job.

If they had asked me, I would have preferred to see Corsair, Musketeer, or even Thief tied to ARC instead of BRD, even though I loved playing as a bard in XI.

Oh and for the record, I am not a dude.

[Travesty]

No, just because a job can pull not make it the same, I agree with that. However, since the playerbase clearly placed the Bard job in FFXI in the pulling role, and archer is realistically the only class we have in FFXIV that is a clear pulling job, it made sense to me that SE might have thought the two would go well together. And who says Archer is suddenly a support class just because it might unlock the Bard class?

Bard became a pulling class in XI out of necessity because most of the time in a camp, it was better for the other members of the party to be there when a mob arrived. They didn't make it a pulling job because it was designed to be. Also, the necessity of pulling was much more extreme in XI than it is in XIV, and by the way, any job can pull in XIV with Smoothed Stones or any number of ranged abilities which are far more common than in XI.

Also, using the argument that both jobs were capable of pulling in XI as the reason they could go together, amounts to FAR less than the multitude of reasons it's stupid for them to go together.

Also, claiming that 99% of the players will be uninterested in playing ARC if is tied to BRD is quite a broad statement and one not based on facts. This heated debate is clearly very much in two camps - those players for and those who are against the idea. Plenty of players who currently play ARC will be OK with the class being tied to the Bard job.

I will concede that 99% might be a little high of an estimate. But I would still strongly argue that the vast majority of players who say "I would love to play Bard" will not also say "I would love to play Archer." Again, they are complete opposite ends of the spectrum for what play style one wants to have.

If they had asked me, I would have preferred to see Corsair, Musketeer, or even Thief tied to ARC instead of BRD, even though I loved playing as a bard in XI.

Aaaaaaand here we reveal the real issue with what they have done. The way you feel, is the way most people are going to feel. Sure, they might be OK with Bard being tied to Archer. But, they would have preferred it be any number of other things, which makes what they have done a poor choice.

Oh and for the record, I am not a dude.

Apologies, dudette.(presumably)

[User201109011315]

There is almost no pulling in FFXIV. Who cares if bard pulled? Irrelevant.

[Corrderio]

What IS that by the dragon knights right hand. Looks like some sort of a scythe to me.

Not going to dig through to find it, but could have sworn the concept showed blades of some sort on the hands

[Col]

What have they done to my beloved Dragoon...................

My favorite two FF classes, Thief and Dragoon... When I heard Thief wasn't in the first wave of jobs I though "Oh well, at least I have Dragoon to fall back on"... But now.... I'm stuck looking like a Dark Knight? I mean, Dark Knights are cool and all..... But they're not Dragoons...... ;-;

[Physic]

What have they done to my beloved Dragoon...................

My favorite two FF classes, Thief and Dragoon... When I heard Thief wasn't in the first wave of jobs I though "Oh well, at least I have Dragoon to fall back on"... But now.... I'm stuck looking like a Dark Knight? I mean, Dark Knights are cool and all..... But they're not Dragoons...... ;-;

go talk to kain from ff, he was probably as dark or darker than the dark knight in the game

[Col]

go talk to kain from ff, he was probably as dark or darker than the dark knight in the game

Haha, I know Dragoons are typically pretty dark but... I'm just upset because looking at that armor, it looks like they took ZERO inspiration from Dragoons and went 100% Dark Knight with it... They could've at least changed the helmet a bit, or made it a really dark purple color instead of just black...

My guess is the only real relation to the Dragoon, the FFXIV job is going to have is a Jump ability. :/ Then mostly Dark Knight-esque stuff.

[Anonymoose]

I maintain that the Dragoon only looks like a dark knight because he's shadowed to shit back there. It looks like he's in a dark violet armor with a huge horned helmet and awesome dragon-like back-spikes, and he's about to land a high-velocity jump and put pretty much this EXACT halberd right through something's face.

WHAT ABOUT THAT ISN'T EPIC?

You people, man... sometimes.... [shakes little lalafell fist in rage] ... not so much into taking a long, analytical look at things.

EDIT:

I REPEAT: It's probably not a scythe.
Image Credit: OMEGA HACK

[Col]

I maintain that the Dragoon only looks like a dark knight because he's shadowed to shit back there. It looks like he's in a dark violet armor with a huge horned helmet and awesome dragon-like back-spikes, and he's about to land a high-velocity jump and put pretty much this EXACT halberd right through something's face.

WHAT ABOUT THAT ISN'T EPIC?

You people, man... sometimes.... [shakes little lalafell fist in rage] ... not so much into taking a long, analytical look at things.

Yeah, but we've already SEEN the concept art for that armor a long time ago... And from the looks of the magazine, it hasn't changed at all(and neither has the Black Mage one).

Here it is: http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...bbb8b730bb6677

And for kicks, Black Mage: http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...d05abbe05968ef