The arrogance of some people

[Astral145]

I shall throw my puny healer dps at you and bring you to your knees laughing and crying out for me to stop tickling you....muhahahahahhahahahaa..... cough' cough' :P

[Colorful]

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I'm not saying they're not allowed to play like that, I'm simply stating that it's lazy no matter how much people on here want to say otherwise. By saying "I'm a healer and I want to heal", you're admitting to being lazy, and there's no way around it. As for dungeon design, I loved 3.0 dungeons but Fractal, Neverreap, Pharos Sirius have all been somewhat boring, and only the bee area appeals to me in Mocianne's. I sometimes try to play without a UI, but it gets a little messy so I switch it back on. But otherwise there's no time to "explore" and take a look around as the tank pulls the next pack instantly.

[NaySilver]

See how poor your argument is? Half your abilities are DPS abilities, it's as optional as a Ninja not using mudras, Trick Attack, not using Invigorate (because that's from the same class, so it must be optional!), etc.

Your argument is very poor. The game was designed without healer's dps, so if a healer doesn't use his dps ability is just using the job in the way devs intended. It is meaningless to compare healers dps with ninja's mudras, because they are different things. Sure an healer that stand for 30 sec without doing anything is lazy, still isn't the same thing of ninja that is not using mudras.

And...half of you ability are dps? Really, have you ever used an healer??????? That just confirm pro forumers are bad players, a constant law in all mmorpg.

[Colorful]

Your argument is very poor. The game was designed without healer's dps, so if a healer doesn't use his dps ability is just using the job in the way devs intended. It is meaningless to compare healers dps with ninja's mudras, because they are different things. Sure an healer that stand for 30 sec without doing anything is lazy, still isn't the same thing of ninja that is not using mudras.

And...half of you ability are dps? Really, have you ever used an healer???????

Educate me, how is performing adequately oh so different? Standing there for 30 seconds (even if that was an exaggerated number, let's say 10-15) is a huge amount of time of doing absolutely nothing at all. Your job is to heal, my job is to DPS so I can clear the dungeon. The game was designed so you'd have 90 minutes to clear the dungeon, tell me, why do I have to clear it faster than that other than not being lazy? It was designed that way after all, clearly shown in game. A Ninja not using their full arsenal of abilities is no different to a healer not doing the same, and you've stated that you do stand around for a long period of time doing nothing.

As for the abilities, I was citing an earlier post:

Funny you should mention that. Let's take a look at all of SCH's abilities, then:

DPS:
1. Ruin
2. Bio
3. Energy Drain
4. Miasma
5. Bio II
6. Bane
7. Ruin II
8. Miasma II
9. Shadow Flare
10. Broil
11. Cleric Stance
A Fairy is arguably number 12 as it helps you DPS.

Healing:
1. Physick
2. Resurrection
3. Adlo
4. Succor
5. Leeches
6. Sacred Soil
8. Lustrate
9. Indomitability
10. Emergency Tactics
11. Deployment Tactics
12. Dissipation

Half of your skills as SCH are DPS skills. Do you honestly grey out half of the skills you have on your hotbar when you heal? Can you see how doing this is just lazy and inefficient?

EDIT: Has the forum been going slow (on my phone's connection, and on my home's internet) for anyone else?

[AriaEnia]

Dang this thread has filled with arrogancy, fallacy, downgrading, ego boasting, condescending and entitlement posts.
I'm not surprised NA forum.

[Astral145]

Just so you know SCH and SMN are of the same class ARC and please add in the fairy's abilities. Also, SCH can dps a lot easier than the other 2 healers. They can easily place dots on one target then spread them to all adds then go back to healing or keep dpsing because they have a fairy to heal for you. SCH is pretty OP for having these abilities and the devs have decided to not bring out another class like it again for a long time or never again.

Now lets look WHM or AST. WHM has way more Healer skills then dps skills. WHM can also burn through mp like it was nothing based on current conditions. So keeping a balance of mp while dpsing and healing can be a pain sometimes.

AST is a hybrid class that has group support/dps/heals. AST is very unique and can reek havoc on the battle field if you decide to play that way. However, they are also a mp hog if go over board with dpsing. They have a pretty solid dps skill line but they really burn through mp w/out hardly any effort with really no way of regaining mp on there own unless they get super lucky on a draw.

Healer dps is optional.... It will continue to be that way unless the devs change the game so everyone can just heal themselves. Basically if you don't like HEALERS that just HEAL then I think you have more problems in RL or simply love arguing for the sake of arguing.

There is no right or wrong answer here. If you love to throw some deeps while healing then by all means get your deeps on. If you love to only heal then by all mean heal away till your heart is content. Getting butt hurt over an issue that clearly has no right or wrong answer is not going to change the way players want to play.

This also falls in the same category for tanks as well. There is no wrong or right answer if a tank prefers str over vit or vit over str. The options are there for the players to decide what is best for them. If the group does not like the fact that the tank is wearing ALL TANK gear well I think that group needs to go find mommy and cry their little hearts out.

It all comes down to choices for each individual player. If you don't like having choices then I guess you don't like having to choose between chocolate or vanilla Ice cream or having multiple flavors of bubble gum or skittles or skittle flavored bubble gum.

[Eothas]

Everyone, absolutely EVERYONE knows that healer DPS is not necessary outside savage. What people are saying is that healers that don't DPS just have a TON of downtime, healing only makes them average players at best, and thats fine, but just accept it and stop making excuses. A great DPS have to use a skill every GCD and weave OGCD between them, a healer that only heals in dungeons can press a button every 10s and be fine, excuse me but thats not a good healer. I'll not kick a healer for this reason or demand them to DPS, but its clear as crystal that they are not great players nor great healers when they stand there 10s doing nothing and jumping around with a i210 set.

And all this talk about "I pay my sub, I play how I want!1!1", how someone can think this is acceptable? How is this better than "elitism"? It's so selfish and silly to say the least. IMO this is what arrogance looks like.

[Atoli]

Healer dps is optional.... It will continue to be that way unless the devs change the game so everyone can just heal themselves. Basically if you don't like HEALERS that just HEAL then I think you have more problems in RL or simply love arguing for the sake of arguing.

It's still lazy. Not using several of their skills even when the situation allows for it, not doing ANYTHING for extended amounts of time...that's lazy, no excuses.
So Colorful's point still stands - if the healer wants to be lazy, I have the full right to be lazy as a Tank or DPS class as well. So I won't use any Cooldowns as a Tank (because why should I? My job is simply to get beaten, it's not my job to make sure I don't die ) and only spam my lvl 1 Skill as a DPS class, because why not? My job is only to deal dmg, not "optimal" dmg, and that's what I'm doing by only using that skill. Doing optimal dmg is optional too, you know? Why should I put in the effort to clear the dungeon earlier than the 90 minute mark when the game was designed to make it possible to clear it with the DPS ONLY using their Lvl 1-Skill within those 90 minutes?
Right, I do it because I don't want to be considered lazy and because I do my best to not inconvenience the other players. A healer who refuses to use his dps skills does exactly that, and then even feels proud about "being a pure healer" aka "person who just stands around doing nothing 80% of the time".

Sure, you have the choice to waste my time. But don't expect me to apprechiate it or not tell you how much I hate you for doing it

[Twilite]

I'd just like to say, healers with egos are far worst than a bad tank/DPS.

[Reisui]

Healer DPS isn't going to take minutes off a run, it's just not that significant, so why stress so much about it?

As a main healer this is hurting. I always thought I contributed by DPSing. I even take out adds alone during some boss fights. I received a bunch of everything, heal skils, support skills and DPS skills. I use them to the max, like it was intended.