The arrogance of some people

[Zojha]

If it's in your tool kit it should be used.

One Ilm punch all the way!

[Aomine1992]

Healers are expected to toss some dots, sure if your slammed and have to heal back to back to keep the tank or dps up I understand, but I main AST and find time to still throw some dots up and cast my attack spells. Don't be lazy.

Lol so mean, because they don't dps doesn't mean they are lazy, they probably arnt comfortable and how ppl ignore mechanics as soon as you switch to cleric you would need to switch back to heal...I'm not saying it's okay cause I dps often on each healer especially SCH but some ppl are not that comfortable yet..

For OP ignore them healers are not expected to dps in casual content if dps sucks then guess who fault that is...the damn dps....now the tank dying cause you were arguing is your fault shame on you for feeding the troll just keep healing and eventually you will get comfortable with stance dancing...but don't go near raid content cause everyone's job is to dps XD

[RiceisNice]

I actually think you're reading too much into it. She says multiple times throughout that she has learnt her Conjure spells purely to heal, and when she learns to embrace the elements, she then begins attacking, and mentions she realises the importance of that part too, not just drawing from the elements, but the power of offence as well.

I could also say that people are reading too little into it taking that for face value and not how it relates to the quest. I mean she can't use stone or fluid aura without the help of the elements, but the game doesn't empathize that as the importance of it from the story, not as much as her actual well being. I mean it wouldn't be the first time the quest lines do not convey the proper nature of the class/job, in favor of storytelling, but still.

[Alisa180]

This debate again, sheesh.

The fact is, the current healing meta sucks. And while some players like it, I can personally attest that its driving other players away. I'm one of them. I *loved* healing, and I otherwise kicked ass as a WHM, having mained a healing class of some kind since I played World of Warcraft. But latency issues made Cleric Stance a royal pain to use, much less to use effectively. It was too much stress, and I sadly dropped healing altogether to take up SMN. (Which I recently parsed 1150 on a dummy with, which is an amazing feeling for someone who at first thought she would be hopeless as a DPS).

The devs have stated repeatedly that healer DPS is not taken into account when tuning fights. But even they confessed that Alex Savage was tuned too tightly, resulting in many people saying 'Well, yeah, the devs lied.' Luckily, it seems like they're easing off on DPS checks in the future, with the confirmation that Midias will be easier. I'm going to wait and see, but my fondest hope is that it will make healers who just want to heal acceptable again. I keep chomping at the bit to get back on WHM, or even SCH, but the thought of stance dancing always sobers me.

You can argue 'You need to DPS to be a good healer' all you want. The fact is, the current meta is alienating players who otherwise want to heal. Considering how healers, alongside tanks, are an 'in-demand' role, I don't think that a good thing.

[VaddixKrieg]

it isnt necessarily bad but it can drastically slow down the dungeon and is essentially a waste of time to either overheal like the OP or just sit there with your thumb up your but

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

OP, my general rule of thumb is if within a single cast of Aero 3/Holy (I heal on my WHM mostly) the tank drops to half health, or anything that would prompt me to use Cure 2 or higher, no DPS for me. I will always prioritize healing and keeping the party alive, even if by some chance downing enemies takes long (which would be more of a DPS issue than a lack of sufficient DPS from the healer.)

[Eothas]

It's interesting that some players always wants to do the minimum required, nothing more and are afraid of trying something in a GAME. Why not try something different, something fun, something that you have to pay attention and feel engaged, something that may have a little chance of failure, but if you pull it off it feels rewarding? IMO most players that say that they don't like to DPS, are in fact just insecure to stance dance.

I love when the tank is competent with CDs and do giant pulls, I always try to keep him alive while trying to push DPS numbers comparable to the damage dealers in the party, I have much more fun that way, I have to use all my skills and it's much more entertaining. Completing the dungeon faster and commendations is just a plus. Without Cleric Stance healing would be a total chore to me in this game.

. But latency issues made Cleric Stance a royal pain to use, much less to use effectively..

Strange, I play with high latency and CS seems totally fine, almost like its client-side.

[SlyTribal]

I think people are swaying from the main fact of healer DPS again.

They're healer "jobs". So lets say you have a job at a store and a cashier. You have to serve people and tidy the stock up around you, keeping the place clean. You just finished a rush and have spare time. If you just stand at the till waiting for customers, eventually you're going to get fired. You have to do your secondary parts of the job. As soon as a customers turn up at the till, you leave your secondary for the primary, which is serving them.

Healing is the till, tidying and cleaning is your DPS. Being fired is being kicked from the dungeon/static etc.

While you may argue it's a game that you are paying for with your money so it can't be compared to an irl job, keep in mind other people are also paying for it, so they could just as well do the same thing, like the tank has just as much right then to spam a single hate move without combos, or dps using only auto attacks since it's still dps of a sort.

Do the work, play your job the way it's meant to be played, using all of it's potential.

[Lone-wolfe-02]

To be honest they have a point, you are expected to dps when able it's not hard to put a regen on the tank pop cleric put dots up and drop back out again.

[Velox]

If it's in your tool kit it should be used.

If that is true, then I hope to God everyone in this thread jumps down MNK's throat for not using One-Ilm Punch...or the BLM's throat for not using Freeze, or the SMN for Tri-Bind.

Just a PSA, just because something exists doesn't mean it's automatically useful.


In regards to the topic at large, I pray SE disables Cleric Stance in instances...not because I don't want healer's to deal damage, but because it's time to put more pressure on the DPS to do their job. Right now, most of the time DPS will complain about a healer not attacking because their own DPS sucks so much they need to hide behind the healer doing 2x the work.