3.2 Sephiroth

[myahele]

It seems as if the Triad were subdued by the Allagans if Unukalhai's to be believed:

Urianger
As the Warrior of Light's comrade, my participation is but to be expected. After all, the matter doth pertain to the very fate of this star. The eikons of eld... In the distant past, these mighty beings did offer fierce resistance to the Allagan Empire. However, they eventually fell to the men of Allag, who devised the means by which to capture them.
Unukalhai
And it did not end with capture, as you well know, for the Allagans also learned how to harness the eikons' power. They refined this knowledge at the Aetherochemical Research Facility on Azys Lla. And within the Centrifugal Crystal Engine, they sealed three of the beings─the Warring Triad.

As for the fighting the Triad ... the WoL is approaching the power of a god + we've got Hydaelyn's Blessing back again. As as powerful as a singly Triad member is the WoL will defeat them due to plot. There's also a possibility that what we'll be fighting is merely a weakened version of Sephirot and defeating him will make him sealed back up again.

[CyrilLucifer]

Unlike Bismarck who is just *Deep Blue sound* then *graaaaah* then dead. K.

Forgive the belated reply, I actually had something longer typed up, but my computer froze and have been too annoyed to retype it completely.

This may just me reading too much into things, but I actually felt Bismarck was more about you. Consider what Lahabrea and Igeyorhm say - they state that you despise (those are Igeyorhm's exact words) the Primals, going out of your way to find and destroy them, which often leads to more chaos. Bismarck, a giant, white whale, and the WoL, who hunts them. Sound familiar? It should, because that's what Moby Dick is all about - a misguided man completely focused on destroying a whale, even if the whale is not entirely innocent, making his life revolve around that purpose of destruction (as Lahabrea claims you have) at the cost of all else. It is as Cid said, it might actually have been better to leave him alone for a time, since Thordan wouldn't have had access to the key in Azys Lla, either.

[Morningstar1337]

Moby Dick

To add, I think one interpretation of the book in question was that the eponymous white whale might be seen as an allegory of pure evil (or at least Ahab sees the while as the embodiment of evil), which might add to Bismarck's role as its analogue as Hydaelyns' untempered inhabitants (Notably Garlemald) tend to see the Primals as pure evil.

[Fenral]

Morningstar's right on this one. Melville's whale was definitely more than a whale.

Not gonna dig out any old college essays, but Moby Dick is, among many other things, a story about how one man's obsession with destroying "evil" (embodied as the eponymous white whale) ultimately only serves to get a bunch of good men and himself killed. There is actually a lot of buildup before the final confrontation establishing that the whale in question is genuinely bad news, but ultimately the cost payed to bring it down is ludicrously high (the whale dies, taking the ship and its crew with it, and only the narrator is spared).

If there's any novel out there that will forever ruin you for the oft-romanticized notions of "putting your life on the line," "victory at any cost" and "fighting on to the bitter end." Boy howdy. Ahab did kill his whale, and did pay the cost he was fully prepared to, but was it really a good idea?


This absolutely applies to the WoL as far as I'm concerned. The price we've payed for certain things has been stupidly, stupidly high and only the villains have the sense to call him/her on it. That's an issue. Not only because I want our allies to have more sense than they do, but also because having the villains point it out just makes everyone else less willing to admit that maybe the bad guys have a point.

[Zohar_Lahar]

This absolutely applies to the WoL as far as I'm concerned. The price we've payed for certain things has been stupidly, stupidly high and only the villains have the sense to call him/her on it. That's an issue. Not only because I want our allies to have more sense than they do, but also because having the villains point it out just makes everyone else less willing to admit that maybe the bad guys have a point.

Due to the fact the story of this game in on rails, it's hard to see much point in thinking too much on it in terms of personal responsibility. I mean, not once did I ever have any choice to tell Alphinaud the Crystal Braves was a terrible idea.

[Theodric]

The Crystal Braves wasn't necessarily a bad idea. It's just that Eorzea is actually a pretty terrible place that doesn't learn from its own mistakes. Especially when it comes to Ul'dah. The Warrior of Light and Scions are keen to hit back at Garlemald yet they're not prepared to deal with the rot that exists within Eorzea itself. Not truly. This will be even more apparent if Ishgard and Ul'dah remain as they are now (which is likely) and there continues to be a divide between the wealthy/noble and the poor/downtrodden. I do, however, support that gap (because I'm shamelessly a fan of luxury and I'd hate to see that aspect of the game removed).

[Fenral]

Due to the fact the story of this game in on rails, it's hard to see much point in thinking too much on it in terms of personal responsibility. I mean, not once did I ever have any choice to tell Alphinaud the Crystal Braves was a terrible idea.

It's not so much that we, the players, can't, but that nobody in our bottle of exposition fairies ever considers stuff like that. How many duplicitous Lalafellin businessmen do we need to get shafted by before we start questioning the honesty of people like Happy Genocide Priest, before they unmask?

[Kaiser-Ace]

It's not so much that we, the players, can't, but that nobody in our bottle of exposition fairies ever considers stuff like that. How many duplicitous Lalafellin businessmen do we need to get shafted by before we start questioning the honesty of people like Happy Genocide Priest, before they unmask?

As a personal rule I'd stop accepting money from Ul'dah that wasn't handed to us directly by Raubahn or Nanamo them selves. And since we just met him I'd hold Pipin to that rule too. (Might allow Papashan though since he's basically Nanamo's substitute grandpa)

[VaddixKrieg]

I know its Sephirot, but a small part of me still wants to beat up FFVII's Sephiroth again. As if I didn't beat him enough times on Proud and Critical modes in Kingdom Hearts.


Edit: Offtopic but you could basically steal the entire fight from Kingdom Hearts I or II and just rebalence it for eight players and magic users and boom! T'was an excellent fight. I can imagine the rage on the forums from all the people who keep wiping to Sin Heartless Angel already. Hell, it could make as much sense as his appearance in Kingdom Hearts I and I wouldn't care. Just drop him in Alex Savage for all I care with zero explanation and I would eat that shit up.

shouldve played 1.0 then. Nael van Darnus was basically sephiroth

[RickXRolled]

I like that they're separating the two. This way they dont have to worry about trying to weave it into the main narrative, where it'd seem out of place or tacked on, but instead give it its own self-contained plotline. If this Antitower thing turns out to be the MSQ trial equivalent, then cool as the basic quest structure won't change.

They are simply doing what WoW does. You can pick up your next set of ms quests which reference you killing Xbaddie even tho you never fought the guy.

Example: You get to the point where you have to do sastasha, but instead of being stuck till you complete it you can skip it and continue the story as if you did do it.

Example 2: Instead of going through the msq to unlock ifrit nm you can unlock the ifrit trial before actually getting to that part, as long as you are level appropriate.

Hope this clears things up.