The REAL reason that Anima sucks

[Ulathskullsplitter]

None of this bickering about raid weapons versus relic matters. SE already admitted they screwed up by not making the raid weapon i215. The fact it was i210 is why they had to delay releasing the relic and gobdip. I dont know why they didnt just make the raid weapons i215 after the fact like they did way back in early 2.0 with i90 when they made the same exact mistake. The raid weapons being i210 screwed weapons progression for everyone this patch cycle. And hope in 3.2 they learned their lesson and the next tier of raid weapons will be 5 ilevels higher than anything else so we can all enjoy our content.

[BinnyBees]

It took me 2 days to get my "Atlas Awoken" (2nd form that glows).

Maybe I had gotten really lucky with my crystal drops from fates, but honestly, the dungeon grinds were not bad at all.

Of course, I can't speak for DPS cause I'm sure their que times are much longer.

Old Atma fate grinds were 50x's worse for me back in the day.....UGH. -.-

But for me, I feel like this is the easiest of the relic grinds so far.

PS: I hate that everyone's glow is the same "ribbon-like" animation. >.>

[Elazu]

as i've said, if you believe that you can leave. it's kinda silly to bash an entity about their product but continue to use the said product, don't you think?

You know what's ACTUALLY silly?

Being a yes-sayer who is okay with every bad decision the provider of said product throws at you. You do realize that people complain because they care about the product? Telling all of those people to leave is pretty ridiculous.

[RiceisNice]

None of this bickering about raid weapons versus relic matters. SE already admitted they screwed up by not making the raid weapon i215.

The other option was making the upgraded eso wewapon being 205, but dropping in say, floor 2 or 3. The gear progression for coil was fine; relic was always on/off with matching the current tier, while the tomestone weapons were never the same tier as raid or up-to-date relic.

And even then, I feel that the ilvl excuse is just sidestepping the actual problem or has no relation to it. It really doesn't justify pushing step 1 (i170) and 2 (i200) from it's original 3.0 and 3.05 release respectively

[gzuscry]

Some days have passed since my relic already. Puting all together, my target was 5 pieces a day at start, but ended up getting way more. Alex runs i gave up after 30 A1, the damage it does to brain would be irrepairable if done more. Basicaly it was daily roulettes, hunts hunts hunts and 2 of the beastribes, vanu and sahagins, because i havent finished them,i am now.
Now that i have done the grind, i can totaly see some ppl getting about 10 relics around patch 3.25 in the end of May when it lands (according to live letter), unless they nerf last step in 3.2, but if you think, they will nerf it, because myth tomes will be gone, so adjustments will be made and cheapening that goes along with new tomstone introductions. So it is very possible that some dedicated player will have relic for every class.

[ApolloGenX]

IMO, it's not a problem with the relic- it's a problem with SEs fixed way of doing things that is nothing but a schedule of gear inflation.

The fact that people already know what is coming out before it happens is so sad, it hurts my feelings. I have never played such a predictable, rehashed, and ultimately boring game. (At end game- the story was fun)

[Alahra]

The other option was making the upgraded eso wewapon being 205, but dropping in say, floor 2 or 3. The gear progression for coil was fine; relic was always on/off with matching the current tier, while the tomestone weapons were never the same tier as raid or up-to-date relic.

I'm not really sure why they moved away from the weapon structure from 2.x at all. It had a lot of really bad ripple effects throughout progression, both for raiders and non-raiders. At least they seem to have realized that and hopefully we'll see the old structure come back in 3.2.

[RiceisNice]

I'm not really sure why they moved away from the weapon structure from 2.x at all. It had a lot of really bad ripple effects throughout progression, both for raiders and non-raiders. At least they seem to have realized that and hopefully we'll see the old structure come back in 3.2.

It creates a bad ripple because the devs made it seem like a problem (delaying upgrades and apparently, delaying the relic questline). Realistically speaking, is there a problem with having three weapons at i210? It'd allow for crit/ss, det/ss, or crit/det distributions. I mean if it's for getting a weapon upgrade, then sure, but A3s has been a gigantic wall for most of the community anyway and they'd probably never see a i210 weapon until relic anyway, nor would it really help because A3s is mechanics dense as well.

Even if they were to go with the 2.0 structure, it wouldn't have changed much if they're going to still delay the relic questline in order to the novelty of having a i210 weapon intact (which i don't necessarily agree with in the first place, and certainly not a good reason to delay the i170 or even i200 upgrades to 3.15). Other than BRD/MC's i200, i205 and i210 weapon-damage calculations, I honestly didn't feel like there was a problem with the reward structure itself, just what it was put on top of.

[Alahra]

Other than BRD/MC's i200, i205 and i210 weapon-damage calculations, I honestly didn't feel like there was a problem with the reward structure itself, just what it was put on top of.

In general, that's true--the structure itself could have worked just fine. However, when the raid weapons were 5 item levels higher, that allowed, ultimately, for progression options to be available more readily for non-raiders, as it was simpler to avoid stepping on the metaphorical toes of the raiding community. SE has always believed that raids should generally offer the best rewards (or at least offer them earlier).

While that philosophy isn't necessary, the structure it resulted in was successful in ARR. The problem is basically two fold: they tried to fix something that wasn't broken (the progression structure for weapons), and they didn't modify their philosophy in a way that worked with those new changes.

[Ultimatecalibur]

I'm not really sure why they moved away from the weapon structure from 2.x at all. It had a lot of really bad ripple effects throughout progression, both for raiders and non-raiders. At least they seem to have realized that and hopefully we'll see the old structure come back in 3.2.

I doubt that we will see the old structure return. That developed in response to gearing problems in 2.X. The problems in 2.0+ came from the alternate weapon/gear being to easy to get so few did the harder/longer content, whereas in 3.0 and 3.1 A3S and A4S are to difficult so few people are doing them.

In 2.0/2.1 getting a Relic +1/Zenith and i90 gear from tomestones was far easier than doing T5 so Allagan weapons were increased to i95 in 2.1 to make them more desirable and 2.2 and 2.4 tomestone gear was set 10 ilevels lower than coil gear and made upgradeable with coil drops.

In 2.3, a lot of players stopped working on their relics once it became obvious that you could get an i110 weapon with far less work by doing ST for two weeks. SE reacted by adding the i115 Nexus step in 2.38 to make having a Relic desirable again.

While that philosophy isn't necessary, the structure it resulted in was successful in ARR. The problem is basically two fold: they tried to fix something that wasn't broken (the progression structure for weapons), and they didn't modify their philosophy in a way that worked with those new changes.

The structure was only really successful in 2.4 and 2.5.

In hindsight what they should have done was make Gordian Weapons i215 when released, released the Relics in 3.05 with a completed ilevel of i205 and introduced a step to make them i215 in 3.15.