you guys went overboard with this new relic

[Blood-Aki]

I agree, but you're just as guilty as I am. YOu want to conform the game to your expectations. Your expectations that the relic should not require crafting are not shared with everyone.

But if you didn't have any crafting jobs and your relic would cost you 30 mil on your server you would have no issues paying that, "go start farming" would be your motto, right?

and none of your freinds are crafters or play anymore. Should be no problem.

[zosia]

But if you didn't have any crafting jobs and your relic would cost you 30 mil on your server you would have no issues paying that, "go start farming" would be your motto, right?

and none of your freinds are crafters or play anymore. Should be no problem.

Yup, that's what I would do if I was in their position. Farm gil. But don't you think that situation is a bit contrived? Should game development be geared to take into account every possible scenario that could occur? Even in that situation you listed, I would recommend that person pick up a gathering profession and start to farm items to sell. With the cost of some mats, dawnborn/furymint/rocksalts, a person could easily produce 30 mil within a month of casual gameplay.

Also, 30 mil? Please, these mats are depreciating faster than the titanic sunk.

[Blood-Aki]

Yup, that's what I would do if I was in their position. Farm gil. But don't you think that situation is a bit contrived? Should game development be geared to take into account every possible scenario that could occur? Even in that situation you listed, I would recommend that person pick up a gathering profession and start to farm items to sell. With the cost of some mats, dawnborn/furymint/rocksalts, a person could easily produce 30 mil within a month of casual gameplay.

Also, 30 mil? Please, these mats are depreciating faster than the titanic sunk.

lol? "easily" produce 30 mil with casual gameplay..i don't know what world you are living in but i would love to go there, because its all sunshines and rainbows. That world were different servers with different economies don't exist as well.

But to quote someone on these forums, Those who benefit from a system rarely sees it's flaws.

[zosia]

lol? "easily" produce 30 mil with casual gameplay..i don't know what world you are living in but i would love to go there, because its all sunshines and rainbows. That world were different servers with different economies don't exist as well.

But to quote someone on these forums, Those who benefit from a system rarely sees it's flaws.

Yeah, I am sorry if you don't know how to make gil easily, but from about an hour of gathering you can make at least 100k, without even trying. If you actually try, you could make much more.

Even without gathering and crafting, you can send battle class retainers for yak milk, dragons blood, etc and make gil hand over fist by just checking in with your retainers every hour. STop making excuses for this imaginary isolated player with no friends, gil, gathering jobs, crafting jobs, etc etc. If someone is that isolated from the MMO experience, then they should play single player games.

I agree.

The next relic should require a level 60 big fish and mining/botany items obtainable only from folklore tomes.

I would love that, sadly, that would cause a flood or tears not even Noah could have survived.

[Blood-Aki]

Yeah, I am sorry if you don't know how to make gil easily, but from about an hour of gathering you can make at least 100k, without even trying. If you actually try, you could make much more.

Even without gathering and crafting, you can send battle class retainers for yak milk, dragons blood, etc and make gil hand over fist by just checking in with your retainers every hour. STop making excuses for this imaginary isolated player with no friends, gil, gathering jobs, crafting jobs, etc etc. If someone is that isolated from the MMO experience, then they should play single player games. I would love that, sadly, that would cause a flood or tears not even Noah could have survived.

It's the fact that you foolishy really think its that easy,and you are continue to ignore that servers have DIFFERENT economies. you also seem to assume everyone can be on all day to make that glorious gill "without trying" bottomline is, you're in your own little world.

Gill may be easy to make, but not in the amount that you thinking, certainly not 30 mil in a month quick, Unless you never sleep and do anything else but ffxiv. Seriously, Get over your self. i dare you to make even close to that much on a populated server with veteran crafters all around you. and everything is dirt cheap.

oh and you also forgot that golden rule of NOT EVERYONE WILL LEVEL gathering/crafting jobs, doesn't mean they are "lazy" they simply do not enjoy it, Try to understand that.

[zosia]

It's the fact that you foolishy really think its that easy,and you are continue to ignore that servers have DIFFERENT economies. youalso seem to assume everyone can be on all day to make that glorious gill "without trying" bottomline is, you're in your own little world.

Gill may be easy to make, but not in the amount that you thinking, certainly not 30 mil in a month quick, Unless you never sleep and do anything else but ffxiv. Seriously, Get over your self. i dare you to make even close to that much on a populated server with veteran crafters all around you. and everything is dirt cheap.

oh and you also forgot that golden rule of NOT EVERYONE WILL LEVEL gathering/crafting jobs, doesn't mean they are "lazy" they simply do not enjoy it, Try to understand that.

I am on one of the worst servers and the prices still would not cost you more than 5 mil at the rate things are selling for as of today. 30 mil is just a number I threw out and it's not based off of gathering alone. I said you could casually make 30 mil inside a month and I maintain that statement. Just look at blood peppers and gardening. It's whatever, you're blind to the opportunities out there and that's ok. That's why players like myself can make millions without trying that hard.

Gathering and crafting are not the only ways to make gil. If you have gil problems in this game, you are simply lazy when it comes to making gil.

Just boils down to people not wanting to pay/work for a proportional effort for a ilvl210 weapon. 210 weapons are not suppose to come easy and people just wanted a weapon they could have finished within a matter of a few weeks.

I agree, but it's missing a lot of the game currently. As leveling is a big part of this game, getting the relic should require you to level something from 1 to 60. If you already have a 60, then you'll need to make a new character obviously.

Let's also add in a clear of A4S, because raiding is also a big aspect of the game and we don't want to leave that out.

Let's also not forget GuildHests, probably completing 10 of these would suffice.


3-5 mil is not easy to make in this game either. If you are a gatherer or crafter, sure it is, but it's not if you're not.

So, would you rather have another grind in place of crafting mats? How about another 300 alex normal runs? See I can make slippery slope arguments too ^_^ yay fallacies for everyone

They should design content about getting a weapon to exclude content that has nothing to do with weapons. Yes, I agree with that statement.

So... then... only raids and ex primals should drop high level weapons? Because outside of the relic, most weapons are garbage.

And how long would that take you to make 30 mil?


100k per hour lets see. That is around 300 hours of Gathering, i mean that really isnt casual. As that is around 10 hours for 30 days...or 1 hour for 300 days(bit extreme) So if you were to do say 5 hours per day again not very casual then it would take about 60 days to get 30mil....and that is with a fixed market.

You see its not casual as a casual player rarely spends 3-4 hours in game due to other factors.

Then don't gather to make the gil? You could craft instead and make way more gil for much less time. Even if you don't want to gather or craft, you could garden or run battle class retainers. There are plenty of ways to make gil casually, you all just like making poor excuses for some contrived situation that is not the practical reality of your average player.

There is a delusion going on the forums, and developer team also has it... Where suddenly being casual means you have like 10 hours free time to play this game or something... All casual content in this game is "dumbed down" but also takes eternities in terms of playing, to a point where, most casual players would have more chances of learning and finding, even for short spans of time, static groups and getting the high end weapons right away than commiting to this kind of content.

In fact, most players who are able to finish relic weapon quest first, are the most hardcore players who are able to stay logged on till they get it and are able to drop any amount of gil needed for its completion.

Casual players... Yeah, they still doing 2.0 relic quest for the most part... So much for "casual content" in fact, time factor in, relics are probably harder to get than raid weapons for a wider group of the playerbase... Yeah, the casuals.

If a player is that casual, then they should just stick with an eso weapon. This costs less than the materia step from the 2.0 relic and this is less grindy than the animus books. People just don't like the relic because it actually takes some time and effort, like a 210 weapon should.

Also, the 1st relic was just completed, less than seven days from it's release. IF you sum up all the possible hours that person could have played, that's 4 days x 24 hours. That's 96 hours of gameplay, divide that up over six weeks and that's 16 hours a week. That's pretty casual, you guys just want your weapons handed to ya! lawl

[RyuDragnier]

I am on one of the worst servers and the prices still would not cost you more than 5 mil at the rate things are selling for as of today. #0 mil is just a number I threw out and it's not based off of gathering alone. I said you could casually make 30 mil inside a month and I maintain that statement. Just look at blood peppers and gardening. It's what ever, your blind to the opportunities out there and that's ok. That's why players like myself can make millions without trying that hard.

Gathering and crafting are not the only ways to make gil. If you have gil problems in this game, you are simply laxy when it comes to making gil.

Just boils down to people not wanting to pay/work for a proportional effort for a ilvl210 weapon. 210 weapons are not suppose to come easy and people just wanted a weapon they could have finished within a matter of a few weeks.

Sorry honey, that ain't it. If we have gil problems, we don't play enough for long periods of time to make it (meaning real life, which ALWAYS takes priority), or we don't know the tricks to making it fast because nobody is spilling the beans. It ain't laziness for the majority of people complaining about this, it's that we do not have the time or the knowledge. Time cannot be fixed. Knowledge can, so if you want people to start complaining, start telling people how to make easy money if they don't have crafting/gathering or raid.

[Kaurie]

So, would you rather have another grind in place of crafting mats? How about another 300 alex normal runs? See I can make slippery slope arguments too ^_^ yay fallacies for everyone




So... then... only raids and ex primals should drop high level weapons? Because outside of the relic, most weapons are garbage.

Neither of your replies comes close to arguing back at what I said. I'm really not certain how to respond for fear that you might pretend I said something completely different again. Either way, I'll try.

No, I definitely did not say I'd rather have another grind in place for crafting mats. I said that the relics don't need to include every aspect of the game, as you suggested they did (albeit in a sarcastic way). I went on to provide examples of some things in the game that are currently not a part of the relic (that I assume you would be against them adding, such as raiding, leveling and guildhests).

Only raids and ex primals should drop high level weapons isn't what I said. Though, I don't necessarily think that would be a bad design. What I said is that if you are getting a relic that is used for combat, then non combat aspects should be left out of the grind. Similarly, I don't think that one should have to raid in order to progress in their crafting endeavors (to clarify, this doesn't mean raids/ex primals shouldn't drop mats used by crafters for glamours, such as ifrit/garuda ex, but that you shouldn't be capped with lesser crafting gear or unable to progress in terms of crafting without doing a raid.


All of that said, I'd rather 300 more Alex Normal runs than the current crafting part. Both are pretty stupid design choices imo, but w.e.

[ScarletDawn]

Yeah, I am sorry if you don't know how to make gil easily, but from about an hour of gathering you can make at least 100k, without even trying. If you actually try, you could make much more.

Even without gathering and crafting, you can send battle class retainers for yak milk, dragons blood, etc and make gil hand over fist by just checking in with your retainers every hour.

And how long would that take you to make 30 mil?


100k per hour lets see. That is around 300 hours of Gathering, i mean that really isnt casual. As that is around 10 hours for 30 days...or 1 hour for 300 days(bit extreme) So if you were to do say 5 hours per day again not very casual then it would take about 60 days to get 30mil....and that is with a fixed market.

You see its not casual as a casual player rarely spends 3-4 hours in game due to other factors.