you guys went overboard with this new relic

[Kyuuen]

but none of it is useful out side of glamour, bar food and pots of course. You just want to religate an entire part of the game to just glamour only? I am glad crafters are need for the relic, it's about time it was needed for something other than just looking cool.

Why should a legendary weapon, essentially what the relic is, skip on including different parts of the game into the quest line? 3-5 mil is not hard to make in this game, you can literally make that off of a battle class retainer in a week or two.

So your answer is to screw over casual players, that may find that part of the game as about as enjoyable as punching yourself in the junk? The alternative being to force them into it to make said items themselves, or making enough to afford the insane costs. But hey, as long as crafters can make gil which remains largely useless outside the player economy!

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I'm guessing the problem he has with it is that it creates a gate for those whom either do not craft or are not in a FC where they would have access to some veteran crafters or do not have that much disposable income to pay for the needed items that will cost a great deal. I think that the crafting portion should have been another way to earn the 80 items one needs.

Pretty much. It acts as a punishment for those of us that find no enjoyment in crafting. Either we knuckle down and grind through boredom to make said items or we make enough to afford them through the player economy. The FC statement also remains a point as well, but not as one for me. I'm in a FC with a few people that are fairly well off with their crafters, but having to rely on them just makes me feel like crap. Just the other day someone gave me a Thavnarian Bolero and it's been weighing on my conscience ever since... let alone something that will cost several millions.

[zosia]

So your answer is to screw over casual players, that may find that part of the game as about as enjoyable as punching yourself in the junk? The alternative being forcing them into it to make said items themselves, or making enough to afford the insane costs. But hey, as long as crafters can make gil which remains largely useless outside the player economy! BEING EDITED

Or.... or! OR!!!111!!!

wait for it..... oh mah gawd it's comin!

people could socialize in MMOs, make some crafter buddies and get the items made at cost? WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get over yourself! If people want some of the best weapons in the game and they don't want to raid for them, it should be a difficult, time consuming, and costly process to acquire the weapons in question.'

You can make 5 mil easily within a week without crafting or gathering, people are just lazy and want to be spoon fed their relic like a whiney spoiled brat crying because their mashed carrots are too tough for them.

[Kyuuen]

Or.... or! OR!!!111!!!

wait for it..... oh mah gawd it's comin!

people could socialize in MMOs, make some crafter buddies and get the items made at cost? WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get over yourself! If people want some of the best weapons in the game and they don't want to raid for them, it should be a difficult, time consuming, and costly process to acquire the weapons in question.'

You can make 5 mil easily within a week without crafting or gathering, people are just lazy and want to be spoon fed their relic like a whiney spoiled brat crying cause their mashed carrots are too tough for them.

Have a good day sir/ma'am.

[Kolaina]

people are just lazy and want to be spoon fed their relic like a whiney spoiled brat crying because their mashed carrots are too tough for them.

can tell you're trying too hard when you start getting mad.

[zosia]

can tell you're trying too hard when you start getting mad.

what would I be mad about exactly? check my main, I don't even craft hardcore, I have two at 60. I am just enjoying the rabble rousing around this relic. People are so mad their welfare weapons are actually hard to get this time around.

[Kolaina]

what would I be mad about exactly?

life? the world? who knows. maybe you wake up, log on the forums and stir the pot a bit to get your day going. but usually when you post it leaves little to a constructive conversation and more to just be in disagreement with people for the sake of being on the opposing side of views to net responses so as to have someone to talk to. but who knows, the world is full of mystery

[Deathscythe343]

You can make 5 mil easily within a week without crafting or gathering, people are just lazy and want to be spoon fed their relic like a whiney spoiled brat crying because their mashed carrots are too tough for them.

A player not wanting to craft or gather does not make him/her "lazy and want to be spoon fed their relic like a whiney spoiled brat crying because their mashed carrots are too tough for them." It just means they don't want to craft or gather for whatever reason. You're making a generalized assumption about a specific set of players with only your personal opinion on the matter to support your premise.

[zosia]

Differing motivations. Differing experiences. Your motivations =/= My motivations. My Experience =/= Anyone else experience.

Just because something comes easy to you does not mean it will be so for someone else, especially considering each servers economies are fairly different.

I agree, but you're just as guilty as I am. You want to conform the game to your expectations. Your expectations that the relic should not require crafting are not shared with everyone.

It's a legendary arm of lore, it should be a multifaceted process involving all the components of the game from crafting and fates to trials, raids, and dungeons. Just because you don't like one of those components means that it should be excluded from the process?

[Blood-Aki]

I agree, but you're just as guilty as I am. YOu want to conform the game to your expectations. Your expectations that the relic should not require crafting are not shared with everyone.

But if you didn't have any crafting jobs and your relic would cost you 30 mil on your server you would have no issues paying that, "go start farming" would be your motto, right?

and none of your freinds are crafters or play anymore. Should be no problem.

[zosia]

But if you didn't have any crafting jobs and your relic would cost you 30 mil on your server you would have no issues paying that, "go start farming" would be your motto, right?

and none of your freinds are crafters or play anymore. Should be no problem.

Yup, that's what I would do if I was in their position. Farm gil. But don't you think that situation is a bit contrived? Should game development be geared to take into account every possible scenario that could occur? Even in that situation you listed, I would recommend that person pick up a gathering profession and start to farm items to sell. With the cost of some mats, dawnborn/furymint/rocksalts, a person could easily produce 30 mil within a month of casual gameplay.

Also, 30 mil? Please, these mats are depreciating faster than the titanic sunk.