Why is "It's something to do" apparently a valid defense?

[Stanelis]

I didn't once say I'm against new content. People are turning this around again. All I'm saying is that some people enjoy the new relic and don't have a problem with it. Square can, and will, add more new content, it doesn't have to be in relation to the relic.

Of course I'm not against new content, that's just silly. What I am against is people using the fact its old content as an argument to belittle people's opinions who DO enjoy it.

Please don't get me wrong here. I'm not good with wording.

And what prevent you exactly to go run that old content you enjoy so much without the need to complete the relic, if relic was implemented on new content ?

[TheCurls]

Whilst it's great that you're enjoying yourself, your join date implies you haven't been playing all that long.

Does my join date give me the credibility you're seeking? Does my tenure in game allow me to properly enjoy this game? Because I do enjoy this game. Are there things I don't like? Of course. Do I mind the relic grind? Nope. I understand that the relic is -only- a means to reward players for repopulating unused content. They'll add new content in 3.2. And before you barrage me with "you'd rather a humongous grind of old content instead of new content!?!?" -- No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the -RELIC- is a grind of old content. Always has been, always will be. New content will always come, every 3 months or so.

Because the fact that there are still people who are having fun makes those people's angry forum tirades look meaningless, so they have to come into threads like these and try to convince people they aren't really having fun in the hopes they can drive people away from the game in order to justify their own opinions as "facts."

That's why they can't simply take a break without putting people down on the forums first.

And then they call people White Knights for having the audacity to say they enjoy something that SE put into the game.

[Lambdafish]

And then they call people White Knights for having the audacity to say they enjoy something that SE put into the game.

I've only ever seen people who have the attitude of "You aren't allowed to complain about X because I enjoy it" get called White Knights, because that's what they are, the problem with White Knights is that they destroy constructive discussion, you are allowed to enjoy relic and put forward constructive discussion, and that doesn't make you you a white knight. The same goes for the opposite end of the spectrum with people who say "You aren't allowed to enjoy X because I don't like it" without any kind of constructive feedback.

Personally I see some issues with relic, but for the most part it is fine except for the crafting part (namely that it isn't a grind, it is a gate), and I respect anyone who disagrees, and invite anyone to challenge and discuss my points.

[WinterLuna]

And what prevent you exactly to go run that old content you enjoy so much without the need to complete the relic, if relic was implemented on new content ?

Because the relic isn't implemented with new content and I really don't care about the fact. I am fine with the way it is. Is that okay or do I have to want it changing because others don't like it?

[Stanelis]

Because the relic isn't implemented with new content and I really don't care about the fact. I am fine with the way it is. Is that okay or do I have to want it changing because others don't like it?

You didn't answer my question.

[WinterLuna]

You didn't answer my question.

Because your question has been asked to favour your argument either way purely because I enjoy the content. If the relic was implemented on new content, I wouldn't care either and would most likely enjoy it. The fact is - it's not. It's already been implemented on old content. I am happy with that and wouldn't want it changing now it's implemented.

Who said anything was preventing me from running old content? Now I've just got a reason to.

I don't see why people who enjoy the current content need to provide you with reasons why in the first place. You are the people who want it changing and need to sway Square if so, not us.

[Stanelis]

If the relic was implemented on new content, I wouldn't care either and would most likely enjoy it.

Yeah that's basically what I wanted to hear.

You might be easy to please (I sure do envy you on that aspect) but do not forget that it isn't the case for a lot of people here. Maybe it would be also in your interest if some things were changed.

Who said anything was preventing me from running old content? Now I've just got a reason to.

If you needed a reason to go back to the content, then maybe that content may not be as fun as you would like us to think.

[WinterLuna]

Yeah that's basically what I wanted to hear.

You might be easy to please (I sure do envy you on that aspect) but do not forget that it isn't the case for a lot of people here.



If you needed a reason to go back to the content, then maybe that content may not be as fun as you would like us to think.

I'm not forgetting that. I don't know why people think I have a problem with others disliking the relic, it's when people think their opinion is more valid than mine because their's in the majority, and can't just let us enjoy it.

Okay, reword, it gives me more of a reason to.

[TheCurls]

I've only ever seen people who have the attitude of "You aren't allowed to complain about X because I enjoy it" get called White Knights...

If only that were true.

[Aarik]

You tell me what else has changed in other games? Expansions usually increase with new zones, etc. Expansions are typically built on the core of the existing game. Again it just seems people want a new game every expansion/patch.

Well, to beat a dead horse...FFXI. And in particular, Wings of the Goddess. It introduced basically the same world...in the past. While that's not really anything new, Campaign certainly was. Beastmen would attack settlements/bases at random intervals, and in LARGE numbers, and you would have to team up with your fellow city-players to fend them off, and it wasn't easy. Depending on how well you performed, you obtained tokens you could turn in for some pretty sweet rewards. In addition, there was a ranking system for cities; the city who warded off the beastmen the best gained benefits for it's players. It was innovative. It was everything FFXIV is not atm.