If the relic weapons stayed relevant like FFXI they would be worth the grind.

[PandaPause]

I eventually did both a relic and the Empyrean for my bard. The grinds in XIV don't hold a candle to that XI put you through. 3 months to relic completion? It was 3 years in XI.

I did the same w/ my NIN in FFXI. It is also the reason I don't hate the grinds in this game because they pale in comparison to what I was used to. However the blatant copy and paste of the relic path has me completely discouraged. Not because its "hard" or its a "grind" but because it is familiar and I have been there and done that.

Coincidentally it is the same reason I run VA once a week.

[Reynhart]

In fact, I'm pretty sure the ratio is far better in FFXIV if you count time_where_you're_using_your_relic/time_required_to_obtain_the_relic

[Zojha]

Are you gonna seriously think there wouldn't be a huge backlash at such a nerf though?

"Huge"? Nah. Vocal minorities gonna be vocal. The majority will just be happy with it.

As for 2.0 being a new game: I, for one, could take my leveling progress and even achievements with me. Well, if I had had any. So even if you want 2.0 to be considered a new game, it would be one that greatly diminishes your accomplishment of leveling up and as such, according to you, there should have been a backlash from most people playing at the time.

[Archaell]

In my opinion the main issue with the relic is the fact that it is a weapon, and weapons can be obtained by other means, our current fast gear progression doesn't help it either.

Were the relic it's own item, like a weapon grip etc, it would be better reward, as it would not get outdated till the next relic is released.

I hoped that maybe the relics could at least improve our abilities or give them new animations... it's sadly not the case.

[karateorangutang]

"Huge"? Nah. Vocal minorities gonna be vocal. The majority will just be happy with it.

As for 2.0 being a new game: I, for one, could take my leveling progress and even achievements with me. Well, if I had had any. So even if you want 2.0 to be considered a new game, it would be one that greatly diminishes your accomplishment of leveling up and as such, according to you, there should have been a backlash from most people playing at the time.

So I'm guessing your excited to grind this out? That's great.

It's still lazy, copy pasted content meant to keep a playerbase complacent while they figure out the real problems. There was backlash with every single nerf in the pre heavensward relic. It's impossible to make everyone happy, but this piece of content is particularly lazy and requires an amount of time that is counter-intuitive to its selling points.

[Reynhart]

Even if you like the grind and that's for you, how are you going to feel when its inevitably nerfed ( there's a strong history of that here ) and I finish in 2 weeks what took you 2months then grind out the next stage of my relic in a short time because of all the backlash that is happening at this stage.

I'm going to feel happy for you on your first Anima and probably happy for me when I'll be doing my second one.

Because I'm not doing the weapon to be better than you, I'm doing it because I want it...and probably to compensate for the relics I never had in FFXI

The real difference is that relic-owners don't try to force other to like the grind by flooding the OF.

[Zojha]

So I'm guessing your excited to grind this out? That's great.

Heh, no. I'm gonna chip away at it slowly and steadily. I just don't mind if other people will have an easier time getting it after I got it, because, guess what...I'll still have it!

Bought my Arachne outfit for 350k a piece back in the days. Now it's like 50k tops. No regrets. Thavnairian bustier for 1 mill, twice the current price. No regrets.

I agree with you that it's lazy design however. Feels like blatant occupational therapy.

[karateorangutang]

The people I feel bad for are the people that are gonna get unwillingly sucked into this content because that's what their FC and LS's are doing. The general flood of comments I've gotten is "This is terrible, but I'll end up doing it anyway."

That phrase scares the hell out of me. It's justification for copy pasted content. It's the same as paying for a filet mignon and being given a sirloin and you eat it because your hungry, but never ask for a refund.

The trend that I'm seeing here is complacency and that scares me more about the future of this game than anything else.

[Reynhart]

The people I feel bad for are the people that are gonna get unwillingly sucked into this content because that's what their FC and LS's are doing.

That shouldn't happen. Especially because Relics are not a huuuge improvement upon other weapons, if you don't want to do it, just don't.

As for the "it's bad but I'll do it", it's different. Grinding is not "good" per se...I just don't mind doing it in the background when listening to music of watching videos

[melisande]

Completely agree OP.