Regarding healers acting as DPS

[Memoe]

Since I'm just scrolling around the forums at the moment, might as well take time in answering this thread!

I DPS as a healer. As a scholar, white mage and astrologian. I like variety, so why not try all three healing classes for fun! I take DPS'ing as a challenge. If I can contribute to dps'ing as much as an average dps while doing my healing job right, I'm doing things right! go me!

Now...on the flip side. As a person that has leveled every tank job to 60...I can not stand it when my healer starts attacking the enemy. If I drop to 25% because they wanted to get in that extra Gravity/Holy, my mood for the dungeon is greatly soured.

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What DOES piss me off, are the healers that spend all their mana DPSing, then yell at me before a boss because I didn't stop and wait for them to get to full mana. 1) Shut up. You decided to waste your mana before the boss fight, now learn to manage it properly. 2) Shut up. Every healing class has a way to regen mana. 3) Shut up. I leveled all three healing classes, and know for a fact that you can keep me alive on the mana you have now. 4) Shut up.

I can quote things, fun! We don't have insta-heal abilities for nothing. If you drop to 25% health, don't panic, dear tank! we're just stretching our dps output until we're forced to use those insta-casts! Go essential dignity, tetragrammaton and lustrate; you're finally useful!

Healing is not rocket science. At 60 you have so many tools to manage your MP and boost your healing output that you do not need to be mindful of your MP. I often go to bosses with what seems like 10% of my MP left and I'm not even mad! Tank wants to wait? dash on! BRD wants to pop mage's ballad mid-fight? No need to sing your ballads for me. I'm an independent healer!

I can generate MP alarmingly easy while keeping dps slightly lower for a bit. Of course you can always throw a DoT or two while actually paying attention to MP management.

Of course if your dps aren't pulling their weight with AoE trashpulls, we might have a problem. But a good healer will see this and act accordingly (Moar Holy for the boys!). Now, raids are a different thing, but I think that's a completely different discussion.

Rule of thumb for y'all
DF dungeons: Cleric stance is your main stance, you're not a healer, you're extra dps and damn proud of it.
Raids and ex primals: Sweet mother of god how y'all taking so much damage? Let me DPS goddamnit! (Well, depending on your job you might be able to dps a big portion of time there, too. As a scholar, I'm just a summoner in disguise when serious damage output ain't slapping my party)

Thank you and keep on deepsing!

[Rivxkobe]

ITT: Scrub healers complaining because tanks actually wanting to get a cure every so often.

Lol. "Every so often". You, missy, are clueless.

Not only is this incredibly rude, but it shows that you don't read and are so set in your own arrogance that you believe what ever you want even though it is blatantly wrong. Come back when you have something constructive to say. Or better yet, something constructive and intelligent.

I know it's hard but I believe in you.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Lol. "Every so often". You, missy, are clueless.

Not only is this incredibly rude, but it shows that you don't read and are so set in your own arrogance that you believe what ever you want even though it is blatantly wrong. Come back when you have something constructive to say. Or better yet, something constructive and intelligent.

I know it's hard but I believe in you.

Because this response is highly constructive and intelligent, right?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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Keeping in mind this is copperbell normal we're talking about: Combust/Aero -> Toggle cs off -> Essential Dignity -> Toggle cs back on -> Keep dpsing. This entire sequence takes less than a second to execute during the combust or aero gcd, and at that level is basically a 40 second benediction.

I know it's hard to actually read what your ogcd's too, but I'm sure you'll be a slightly better player for it. I'm putting my faith in you.

[Hayward]

This is a straight up farce of a thread and the enablers posting make it all the more absurd.

I suppose the concept of "teamwork" is alien to these folks because they put their parses above, you know, keeping people alive long enough to finish a fight.

Adding in some damage is fine when the situation allows it. Doing so at the expense of others' HP should get you kicked from the group. That word "efficiency" doesn't mean what you think it means.

[VanilleFang]

This is a straight up farce of a thread and the enablers posting make it all the more absurd.

I suppose the concept of "teamwork" is alien to these folks because they put their parses above, you know, keeping people alive long enough to finish a fight.

Adding in some damage is fine when the situation allows it. Doing so at the expense of others' HP should get you kicked from the group. That word "efficiency" doesn't mean what you think it means.

I don't think you know what anyone is talking about. No one in this thread has said that DPSing should be put above healing. I'm slightly confused by your post. Show me where someone said they were willing to let others die in order to pump out more damage.

[Hayward]

I don't think you know what anyone is talking about. No one in this thread has said that DPSing should be put above healing. I'm slightly confused by your post. Show me where someone said they were willing to let others die in order to pump out more damage.

I'm sorry but I know good and well what I'm talking about. Putting people in needless danger just so you can fluff your DPS numbers is something that absolutely should get a healer tossed from a dungeon. I consistently call out tanks who put Healers/DPS in danger through their selfish actions and DPS who act like they're the entire show and do stupid things. Why would I give healers a pass when they refuse to stay in their lane when the situation requires it?

[VanilleFang]

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I agree that if a healer is ignoring healing as a way to "fluff" out their dps numbers then, generally, they should be questioned or kicked. But that still doesn't explain the issue with the thread. No one is telling healers to put dps first. We are saying that if healing isn't required then it is completely reasonable to dps. And if you experienced enough then you can push your tanks health lower because you know you can and will save them. The "efficiency" of it all is to cut down on the total amount of time you take to complete an instance. Also, sitting on MP without using it is inefficient.

[TitaniaYaerem]

I suppose the concept of "teamwork" is alien to these folks because they put their parses above, you know, keeping people alive long enough to finish a fight.

Did you even read the OP's entire post? OP admitted he/she let them get low but no one died at all. SO, the OP did make sure people did survive the fight, thus they did finish, they just didn't finish at full health. Healers aren't suppose to ensure that people are full health at all time, they are to make sure that health bars don't reach zero. If OP was letting people die due to just DPSing then a lot of people would probably agree that they needed to be kicked, the haler was aware of health bars they weren't oblivious.

[magnanimousCynic]

BRD wants to pop mage's ballad mid-fight? No need to sing your ballads for me. I'm an independent healer!

I can generate MP alarmingly easy while keeping dps slightly lower for a bit. Of course you can always throw a DoT or two while actually paying attention to MP management.

As a WHM, I personally ask BRDs to stop using Mage's Ballad for me even if my Mana is below 20-30%. It's not like I need to DPS/heal 100% of the time. Besides, DS + Regen + Asylum as an opener almost always keeps the tank alive in Expert Roulette at the cost of almost no MP!