you guys went overboard with this new relic

[GideonHighmourn]

were you really expecting anything different?

Given the length of time that the "new" Relic quest took to come out? Absolutely.

I was at least expecting something a little "new", rather than just reusing old content for it. At least the i80/90 Relics used it's own content and encounters, designed around slightly difficult, new encounters. The 3.15 Relic literally starts you off with doing 2.0 dungeons and FATE Atmas right off the bat; it adds nothing new to the current game, and only uses previously existing content as a way to artificially create a "new" grind.

[Dorander]

This deserves repeating here: If you honestly didn't think it would be the same you were deluding yourself. They needed another reason to get max level characters back into those lowbie dungeons/fates/ect. Plain and simple. Plus, it's an MMO for crying out loud. If you can do something in a day/few hours.. what's the point of a monthly sub?

[Maero]

Well said Ginkho, could not agree more

[Vanitas]

Time, for power.

[Selli]

Honestly, I think what I'm most disappointed about is how this is so grindy that it is the exact opposite of what the 2.0 relics accomplished (specifically i80->i90).

Because of how easy they were and the titles and achievements associated with them, people were encouraged to cap all of the battle jobs to 50. They were encouraged to try them all out before they added the grind that followed with Atma (which was ridiculous at the time).

What we have now does not encourage people to get any other jobs than their main to 60. In fact, this grind is so ridiculous, it hardly encourages you to have a secondary job. And, imo, in a game that's pretty much about "being everything on one character" this is a huge disappointment and a huge step backward. Especially with the drastic changes some classes took between 50 and 60, you'd think SE would encourage everyone to cap them all and try them all out.

[Kaizer]

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I don't know how anybody can defend these methods when SE could easily give us ways that are at least some what entertaining. Nobody is asking for things to be handed to them.

We just want them to stop catering to the lowest common denomjnator.

It's a RELIC WEAPON. It should be obtained by completing feats of strength. Slaying epic monsters. Completing an epic quest. Exploring me elands.

Not killing endless a mounts of low level trash

THIS IS WHY WE PLAY RPG GAMES

Most RPGs have grind fests for their equivalent "super" weapon. In FFVII, you had to get a Gold Chocobo to find Knights of the Round. FFX forced you to grind Bliztball and FFXII and the insane 50 million HP boss. The anima weapons aren't meant to be gotten quickly, but slowly over the course of a month or two.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

This deserves repeating here: If you honestly didn't think it would be the same you were deluding yourself. They needed another reason to get max level characters back into those lowbie dungeons/fates/ect. Plain and simple. Plus, it's an MMO for crying out loud. If you can do something in a day/few hours.. what's the point of a monthly sub?

No one is asking for the relics to be things of a day or hours. Damn, if it were to take 3 months, i would do them gladly if it was something INNOVATIVE or DIFERENT and more, much more important, FUN. The problem here is not the time, is how time is spent, if i want to do fate grind, dungeon grinds and atma grinds, i have 2.0 relic quests, 11 of them to make, for them to last ages.

http://www.wowhead.com/news=248628/l...s-what-we-know

How WoW "Relics" are. They will take quite a while to finish, but damn that long progress line looks FUN to make.

[meldon90]

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Best post about relics

[Alcide]

The problem is not the grind, it's that there's literally NOTHING new in these relics. It's the same exact pattern of 2.0 relics but with different names, hell you even have to run some of the dungeons that were on the zodiac quest... really how retarded is it to run 2.0 content for 3.0 relics???
It makes you wander, when/if i buy the next expansion am i gonna get some actual new stuff or it's just gonna be the same exact content with a different skin?

The alex grind part wouldn't have been so bad if it was released with or shortly after the raid, but at this point the last thing i want to do is to go back in there.
And anyway, what the hell was the point of delaying the relic by 6 months if there's NOTHING NEW? wouldn't it be better to just release it in smaller steps and different ilvls throughout the patch when the content we have to grind now was (sort of) new and relevant? It's not like we had too much content to do these months...