How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Ninjah2r]

I'm now at i206 but still having ss/tp problems. I'm at 2.43 gcd, so I don't know if I got BiS gear. Anyone have a link to drg BiS as of now?

[whiskeybravo]

I'm now at i206 but still having ss/tp problems. I'm at 2.43 gcd, so I don't know if I got BiS gear. Anyone have a link to drg BiS as of now?

I have 2.37 gcd and don't have any problems until about 30 sec before 3rd invigorate. You should be popping first invig around the time you hit 2nd BotD. Then the next invig is used on CD, that should last you till close to the 3rd. BiS, iirc, is pretty much all Gordian gear except pants & chest & belt. Obviously including any favorable diadem gear.

[Gaiussenpai]

Relic weapon is eh.

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Rhongomiant

[Pluvia]

Relic weapon is eh.

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Rhongomiant

Its ok Ninja and Drg can suffer together.
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Kannagi

[Leananshee]

I'm really not sure where they are going with our lance lol Weights haven't changed have they? Because Thordan is weighted better from what i can tell. The gear we have to choose from just isn't sufficient enough to cover the loss of Crit.

As it was pointed out to me, it looks like they might be aiming to do a similar materia melding stage to tip bis in relic's favour at a later stage...but still...bit of a strange choice in base stats imo.

[Sykoshaun]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...mining/cy0v35o

Thanks to Sword Scream for figuring this out, but it does seem the relic is higher in regards to strength weight then the Thordan weapon, it's just are we able to juggle the gear to make it worth while, if we can't then the Thordan weapon is still superior in terms of a "gear set" but if we can juggle gear around to make the relic worthwhile and not tanking our sub stats then it is an upgrade.

[Leananshee]

Hmm...I'm not really sure how to do the calculation properly but my own attempt was as follows:
Relic: 109 str + 10.608 SS (I did: 102 * 0.104 which is the SS amount times the SS weight) + 9.452 Det (Again: 68 * 0.139 which is the Det amount times Det weight) = 129.06

Thordan: 105 str + 15.714 crt + 9.035 det = 129.749

Of course, it probably is wrong as i'm a failure at maths lol I tried to use previous calculation examples to try a very basic/rough go at it.

Apart from this, i'm still leaning towards the Thordan weapon considering what I have currently seems to give me better stat numbers all round then when I did a quick check on Ariyala gear calculator. The lack of crit disturbs me lol also the det seems to be genually lower too :/

Please correct me if i'm wrong though! May need a dummies walkthrough to how to properly calculate the weightings to things ^^;

[Sykoshaun]

With the current gear available to us i'm inclined to think the same thing. Haven't had a chace though to play with Ariyala to have a look yet though (stupid work site blockers :'() You've calculated the stats correctly (my maths has come up the same) but your missing weapon damage as i'm pretty sure the i210 has 1 more WD then the i205 which is an extra 10.625 str right there.

However unless we can up the crit on our gear without sacrificing acc (unless you've been bloody luck with diadem drops) then mathmatically the relic is better, until i'm able to play on Ariyala (most likely sonmeone on the forum will do it before me) i don't think we can have a gear setup, (out of ESO/Savage drops) that could validate using it.

[Leananshee]

Ah, so that's where the extra digits come from - I didn't factor those into it. Thankies.

I haven't played in Diadem that much. Only got a pair of hands which are only just slightly better than the normal glove options (by very little lol) I'm thinking that Diadem farm is the only way (currently) that could help work towards the lack of necessary stats to cover what the relic is missing.

Picking all the crit gear currently available/listed (no Diadem but A3 kill/helm) you can get the following:
str 968, acc 682, crit 791, det 328, ss 535
Adding the Relic (It's not currently on Ariyala yet):
str 1077, acc 682, crit 791, det 396, ss 637

Going by Dervy's Thordan setup:
str 1073, acc 637, crit 803, det 452, ss 604

Or if you have the A4 kill/weapon (Again using Dervy's setup):
str 1077, acc 637, crit 777, det 484, ss 604
(Strange, lodestone has Dervy's str at 1079 - guessing 1079 might be the same for relic?)

Can anyone weigh in with decent possible Diadem alternatives?

I guess, if you're not planning on getting the A4 kill then it's worth going for the relic now, if you want the added WD and don't mind the dodgy secondary stats ^^; Think I might just stick to Thordan though until more relic phases/reveals are made. It'll take a long time yet but my group will keep at Alex until we finally get our A4 kill so i'm happy just aiming for that for now. Shame though, was looking forward to having something to do in-game other than raiding 3-times a week...otherwise I just don't bother logging on...

[Sykoshaun]

I'll be doing the same thing, i have no need to rush getting the relic done, perfectly happy with how the Thordan wep fits my set up atm, plus i don't want to farm diadem over and over again to make the relic worth using. I will still get the relic, because later down the line i imagine we will be able to re-stat the thing making crit det build out of it, but still, at this very point the gordian spear is still my goal.

Manipulator will be going down soon and then that lovely, lovely spear.