How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[ViktorMestrovic]

Pro tip. Don't trust everything you read on here about required stat caps. I have both the dip 210 and the Gordian spear. 2.39 GCD versus 2.41... I have no problem performing exactly the same rotation with 2.41 gcd. Furthermore, no transition periods in savage were handled any differently because my gcd went up to 2.41. I can tell you with the certainty of well over 100 trials with baked pira pira on that Gordian spear is roughly a 40 to 50 dps increase over the dip spear, despite having under 590 SS. My ss is currently 576, 481 det 821 crit, 624 accuracy, no food, 1079 str. DIP spear rotation 1460's after 3:30 on dummy, Gordian 1500+ ever time, crit jump or no crit jump opener beyond 3:30 and far fewer tp problems.. problems which you are going to have with higher SS in A4S for sure. I am constantly tp starved in A4S final phase, no matter how I use invigorate. Our warrior is getting the nin goad for sprint royal pent purposes.

[Gaiussenpai]

I've been at 2.4 the longest time and can vouch for this and starting to believe that latency plays more a role along with fight-to-fight basis rotations.

[Zeviand]

I've been at 2.4 the longest time and can vouch for this and starting to believe that latency plays more a role along with fight-to-fight basis rotations.

Definitely. I can't dip below 590 ss since i play on a 250 ms connection. I can still get 3 geirskoguls a minute with 605 ss but it's very unforgiving. One more month and I'll be back in the states to try out the gordian spear!

[SunnyHirose]

I can tell you with the certainty of well over 100 trials with baked pira pira on that Gordian spear is roughly a 40 to 50 dps increase over the dip spear, despite having under 590 SS. My ss is currently 576, 481 det 821 crit, 624 accuracy, no food, 1079 str. DIP spear rotation 1460's after 3:30 on dummy, Gordian 1500+ ever time, crit jump or no crit jump opener beyond 3:30 and far fewer tp problems.. problems which you are going to have with higher SS in A4S for sure. I am constantly tp starved in A4S final phase, no matter how I use invigorate. Our warrior is getting the nin goad for sprint royal pent purposes.

I think there's something consistently flawed with your testing. >2% DPS increase is preposterous; that's in the realm of a weapon damage upgrade, not a sidegrade.

[JackFross]

It's because of your ~Determination~ that you see far more consistent and consistently higher results. Building for Crit with low Det noticeably decreases the floor value for your damage. It raises the mean, sure, letting you see higher (on average), but parse-to-parse, a det/crit build (rather than a pure-crit build) is gonna obviously see consistently higher results, because the damage floor is drastically raised.

And I think it was stated before (with numbers) by another guy that sks beyond 600 was pretty much worthless and resulted in overall loss of DPS. I'd have to dig for his post outlining this, but it's there.

[JackFross]

Stat spread:
Brionac:
102 Crit / 71 Sks

Gordian Trident:
97 Det / 71 Crit

If you change nothing aside from the weapon and do a parse on a dummy without having a defined time that you will cut the parse (as was done in the test), you're literally comparing 102 crit to 97 det and 71 crit, since sks has a negligible impact on your dps (yay dot tick boost?) outside of letting you connect with more hits in a shorter timeframe.

So yeah, you'll see a huge boost in damage when adding 97 det to the parse. That's effectively 13 additional strength, which is more than +1 weapon damage.

Comparatively, upgrading from Brionac to Halberd of the Heavens saw my dps jump 60-70 on standstill dummy parses, due to the drastically improved stat spread that the Heaven spear afforded me (in addition to +1 wd).

[SunnyHirose]

But the difference per hit between Brionac and Gordian Trident is ~1.3% (not formula guesses; tested in-game damage). The skill speed and crit pretty much make up that difference, on average.

[CookieMonsta]

But the difference per hit between Brionac and Gordian Trident is ~1.3% (not formula guesses; tested in-game damage). The skill speed and crit pretty much make up that difference, on average.

Makes sense since 100 det ~ 1% damage boost, need master Dervy to weight in

[SunnyHirose]

Going single target, Gordian Trident should beat Brionac by <1 DPS and relic by ~1 DPS (on average). Pretty tiny difference, other than TP usage.

[JackFross]

Wait do you mean literally 1400 v 1401 or 1400 v 1414? 1 or 1%? O: