Bowharp and the Death of RNG

[Xenor]

To be fair, I didn't play Conjurer to stand around curing shit, but alas... changes happen. I'd rather like to give barcher a shot - whether existing pre-rng archers will, though... I think that'll be as welcome as Single-target Sacrifice, I agree.

That's another thing that bugs me but I quit caring on that one since I have both mages at 50. I'm sure I'll be able to play BLM with one of them. There's only one ranged DD class so it's a bigger issue here. Maybe if Musketeer existed and was going to become a strong DD job I'd care less. One thing is for certain, there's going to be a lot of raging at this implementation.

Jobs are designed to modify classes via specialization and are made for party use. Classes are for soloing.

MMOs aren't for soloing. I know you're just stating what SE once said but the idea of having to play a job that's 100% different to your class if you wish to party is just absurd. It's like telling a player who loves tanking that his gladiator is going to become a white mage and if he wishes to tank he'll have to solo.

[User201109011315]

MMOs aren't for soloing. I know you're just stating what SE once said but the idea of having to play a job that's 100% different to your class if you wish to party is just absurd. It's like telling a player who loves tanking that his gladiator is going to become a white mage and if he wishes to tank he'll have to solo.

Also considering the fact that they didn't need to add jobs like this, it's even more stupid. People use the "omg the armory system still functions if you solo" excuse to justify bad implementation of jobs instead of asking for jobs to be implemented in a way which demands no excuses.

[zaviermhigo]

Love your post. I thought the hat was like Edward von Muir the annoying bard from FFIV

[Misha]

Bahaha, thy puns are sweet music o'er-arching my ears.



To a point I agree, but Yoshida-san has stated in interviews that the idea of having more than one job-per-class is not something they're planning for at all (YET), and if implemented, would likely be an after-thought. I'm sure they at least have their base list of what classes/jobs will be coming to the game, and we'll probably see that come to fruition before there's links. (Pure speculation).

Lies! ... Yoshi has said many time's classes are goin to branch out into more than 1. First set will indeed be only 1 per class though *facepalm*

Edit: Ranger or a straight DD may not be coming as an off-shoot for archer right at 1.21 but sure we will see it further down the road sometime ... Bard's honestly better for the first though being as it brings more flavor and variety into the game/parties we desperately need!

[Physic]

Lies! ... Yoshi has said many time's classes are goin to branch out into more than 1. First set will indeed be only 1 per class though *facepalm*

actually i think he said its an interesting idea, but if they did do it, it would be aways off. people who want second jobs take that as him saying it will happen. essentially what he said, is we need to get these jobs down before we consider a second teir. So if they do happen, it would be a ways off


do you have any reference to where promises multiple jobs per class?

[Oscillate_Wildly]

As 'neat' as jobs may be or may have been, the armoury system is just too crammed to really make it work. Bard could have been a class all its own as a back up/support and crowd control with close range DD with daggers or something. To make it attached to archer I feel gives the game even less to work with. And it also doesn't sound like a good use of the 'job' to be honest. Not ontop of Archer.

Quite honestly, if you think about what Arcanists were supposed to be with traps and the like, I would have suspected them to be the bards. But if they put too many classic names as jobs there's little to work with to implement new classes. Content is nice, but if it's all going to be good ol' raid after raid with nothing left to rank up, interest will dwindle. Especially if they're just skills to quest for. ): Doesn't sound fun at all.

[Esk]

lol, I do love all this.
I'm just waiting to see and (slowly) levelling other classes, so if I don't like what they do to Archer or Archer is not viable on its own as a group class I have options.
But given how dull I find the AA combat in melee, well... dunno..

But if Archer is still good DPS and the HarpBow just adds a layer of Buff/DeBuff/CC to the class over extra damage as I can see others getting.
I don't see that as a bad thing, As it dose look like a funky ass weapon.

[AmyRae]

Archers ARE indispensable in FFXIV already. Bards were indispensable in FFXI.

Combining the two is like assembling the five parts of Voltron together. Archers should be ecstatic not depressed. Bards are going to rule this game.

[Volsung]

more jobs are coming later for current classes. just as new classes and jobs for those classes will be coming. The best part is, THEYRE OPTIONAL.

[Murugan]

AFter the job system comes in people need to remember it is an option they can choose to play an enhanced role. A Conjurer can still play a Conjurer. An Archer can still play an Archer. There is no need for them to specialize into a specific role using the job system if they want such a "jack of all trades" approach or merely one different from their job.

We need specialized roles in order to have better group based content, but you don't have to take up a role you don't want to (likely someone does though hopefully).

A conjurer may not do as good of magic damage as a black mage because they lack some of the black mage's abilities, but if they want to nuke for some reason they can still do that and won't be completely inept at it. An archer will still likely be a great DD after the job system, but they may lack some special DD related abilities that makes Monk and Dragoon special (we hope). People might want them to play Bard because well Bards are awesome, but they don't have to.

For all we know an ideal group for different encounters/situations might be:

PLD, WAR, WHM, BLM, BLM, BRD, DRG, MNK

or

PLD, WAR, WHM, BLM, CONJURER (because of their versatility), BRD, DRG, MNK

or

PLD, WHM, BLM, BLM, BLM, BRD, ARC, ARC (god I hope not, but I'd be lying if I said it is out of the realm of possibilities)

Point is jobs are specialized roles, BRDs are needed for debuff/buffing and WHM's are needed as the best healer. It doesn't mean Conjurer's and Archers necessarily have no use in a party either though, because you don't always need or want everyone specializing so strictly in every situation.

However the archers deluding themselves that they will be able to get the BRD's debuffs/buffs while at the same time still doing the same damage they do as archers need to probably lower their expectations.

Anyways screw you whiny archers, you lost all credibility after you moaned at the changes in 1.18. Worst class community on the forums by far... yet also strangely containing the best min/max community on the forum. Okay not that strange, happens with every "flavor of the month year class". You take the good with the absolutely horrible.