Bowharp and the Death of RNG

[DoctorMog]

OH I get it,

This is another one of those assumption threads where everyone turns out being wrong and looking like an idiot.

Sweet.

I'll hop in!

Archer > Bard

Muskateer + Archer = Ranger

[Anonymoose]

This is another one of those assumption threads where everyone turns out being wrong and looking like an idiot.

Not to sound like an asshole or anything, but why be an inflammatory buzzkill? People can't bullsh!t around and enjoy a spirited discussion while we wait for a delayed an anxiously awaited patch. Maybe you're right. Maybe we should shut up and just go play something else, forget Final Fantasy exists, and when we have solid empirical evidence, discuss only that.

EDIT: If it turns out that, twelve forbid, I or someone else speculating here, gets it right - does the pendulum swing back the other way, right past time-killing discussion again, and land on "Holy hachimaki batman, Anonymoose is a prophetic genius!!!" in the end? Bah, successful troll comment was successful. /stopstalking

I don't think anyone who plays ARC actually wants to play a bard.

To be fair, I didn't play Conjurer to stand around curing shit, but alas... changes happen. I'd rather like to give barcher a shot - whether existing pre-rng archers will, though... I think that'll be as welcome as Single-target Sacrifice, I agree.

[Betelgeuzah]

a delayed patch.

Nothing was delayed -_-

[Anonymoose]

Nothing was delayed -_-

True, I retract that. We never did have an official plan - just the idea that they were aiming for august, optimistically.

[Betelgeuzah]

True, I retract that. We never did have an official plan - just the idea that they were aiming for august, optimistically.

We have had the End of September plan since August.

[Xenor]

To be fair, I didn't play Conjurer to stand around curing shit, but alas... changes happen. I'd rather like to give barcher a shot - whether existing pre-rng archers will, though... I think that'll be as welcome as Single-target Sacrifice, I agree.

That's another thing that bugs me but I quit caring on that one since I have both mages at 50. I'm sure I'll be able to play BLM with one of them. There's only one ranged DD class so it's a bigger issue here. Maybe if Musketeer existed and was going to become a strong DD job I'd care less. One thing is for certain, there's going to be a lot of raging at this implementation.

Jobs are designed to modify classes via specialization and are made for party use. Classes are for soloing.

MMOs aren't for soloing. I know you're just stating what SE once said but the idea of having to play a job that's 100% different to your class if you wish to party is just absurd. It's like telling a player who loves tanking that his gladiator is going to become a white mage and if he wishes to tank he'll have to solo.

[User201109011315]

MMOs aren't for soloing. I know you're just stating what SE once said but the idea of having to play a job that's 100% different to your class if you wish to party is just absurd. It's like telling a player who loves tanking that his gladiator is going to become a white mage and if he wishes to tank he'll have to solo.

Also considering the fact that they didn't need to add jobs like this, it's even more stupid. People use the "omg the armory system still functions if you solo" excuse to justify bad implementation of jobs instead of asking for jobs to be implemented in a way which demands no excuses.

[AeraLucis]

the idea of having to play a job that's 100% different to your class if you wish to party is just absurd. It's like telling a player who loves tanking that his gladiator is going to become a white mage and if he wishes to tank he'll have to solo.

Wow. Just wow. So bard is going to play 100% different? So you don't think that you will still be firing arrows in-between casting a song buff or two? You don't think that any song buffs will have a buff duration? maybe of even at least 5 minutes? You don't think that maybe songs could be casted with TP instead of MP or nothing because that's the way it has to be done?

If you think as an Archer rolling with a Bard role on is still not going to do any damage then I think you're sorely mistaken. Even if you look at FFXI as a reference, Bard specific tasks only took a second or two and then you were back to curing with whitemage spells. I'm sure that Bard will not be 100% different as you say.

And the comparison to tanking a Gladiator and making him be a full on white mage is absurd. If anything it would be more like taking a player who loves tanking with his gladiator and telling him he's going to have to take on more healing responsibility and heal himself some more....oh dayum! did I just describe a paladin? wow, you're right. That idea would be crazy.

[Scardon]

OH I get it,

This is another one of those assumption threads where everyone turns out being wrong and looking like an idiot.

Sweet.

I'll hop in!

Archer > Bard

Muskateer + Archer = Ranger

I read about half this thread and this is essentially my feelings on the matter.

Making an archer a bard-ish class would make about as much sense as making pugilists top end healers.

[Coglin]

I read about half this thread and this is essentially my feelings on the matter.

Making an archer a bard-ish class would make about as much sense as making pugilists top end healers.

Why? I can think of 10 top MMOS in whixh bards can and do use bows.

Not to mention, they did say :

"Rather than being advanced versions of classes, we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partyin"

this is where they say that --> http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...form-Blueprint