Pretending to dps in dungeons, is this a new fad?

[Catwho]

SCH's DPS output isn't just about raw damage - the DoTs you apply also apply debuffs that make stuff hurt the party less less. Even just running in and dropping a Miasma II on a group of mobs gives them a Gravity effect, making it easier for your tank to dance just out of attack range while also dodging AOEs. Virus isn't even a DoT, it's a "let's make this next big nasty movie do 10% less damage to everyone" ability or "let's make this limit break do 10% more damage and kill the boss for really reals."

SCH has Eos as a backup because SCH as the tactician has a ton of other abilities to help the flow of the fight besides curing, and she's there to spot heal while you do those other non healing things.

That doesn't mean you have to DPS full time. It's just that a SCH who tosses out a Swiftcast + Shadowflare at the start of the fight gets so much more respect than one who lets Eos spam her stuff willy nilly and only tosses cures.

On the subject of the OP: I had a fellow DPS who lazy'd it in Expert roulette over the weekend. Took us 40 minutes to get through Pharos HM because my bard's DPS is good, but not enough by itself. Then last night I was partnered with a MNK who actually knew how to do his job, and we breezed through in 21 minutes. It was beautiful.

[Kaurie]

I main a healer and do nothing but heal. If I wanted to DPS I would play a DPS class, I chose a healer to heal and keep people alive not DPS.

Kick me if you want but my role is to keep you alive and that is it.

Hey if you want to be a poor player, that is your own perogative. Don't lecture others on requesting people to be better though.

Is she? The game never tells you that being a healer = dps/healer hybrid. She probaly picked a healer class and expected to only heal and lets be honest, majority of us picked the healer classes to heal, the dps is a extra. A extra that did not show up, untill we were geared up and were speed runing dungeons mid 2.0.

Healers were never told to DPS in the way that Damage Dealers were never told to stand in AoEs. That is, I'm fairly certain both were told this, just not in so many words. In fact, this guy was an Arcanist (DPS class) for the first 30 levels.

I love that we have the option to dps as a healer, I love doing alot of dps on my tanks and I am the dps that casts Eye For Eye and Virus. I believe that using all the abilities that you have to support the group is something everyone should do, but this is how I play and does not mean that it is the correct one.

You're right, it's not necessarily correct. I mean that depends how you define correct. For this guy's situation, Is correct the way that the developers intended? Then yeah it's incorrect. Is correct the way that supports the team the best and results in a better player? Then yeah it's incorrect. If correct is just the way you want to do it and you pay your own sub, then yeah it's correct.

The way I see it:
Tanks need to keep agro and use defensive skills.
DPS need to do the most damage that they can and use their dps buff skills (many do not use this, why?)
Healers keep everyone alive, raise the dead and make sure the buffs are up.

That is the bare bone, but all of the jobs have much more to them and that is what differentiates people who play well and don't. For example, a tank who keeps agro and uses defense mitigation, but faces the bad guy towards the group? => Bad tank. DPS that uses all of their DPS skills and buffs and parses like crazy, but ignroes every mechanic and dies to every AOE? => Bad dps. Healers that keep everyone alive and don't use all of their skills (i.e. DPS) available to help the party? => Bad Healer.

Aslong players are doing these things, they are doing their job, in my opinion. Everything else is extra. That DPS that uses Virus or Eye For Eye or helps healing when the Healer is having troubles keeping everyone alive is a amazing player. The Tanks that contributes by doing alot of damage, they are amazing players. The Healers that are able to switch between healing and dealing damage, are amazing players.

I'll make sure to die to every AoE next time I'm queued with you, as apparently I'll still be doing my job.

Bixillarla might not be taking full adventage of her skills, but this does not mean that she is not doing her job. Lets not forget prior to 3.0 not being able to do speed runs meant you as a player were not doing your job. Untill SE comes here and says that Healers NEED to do DPS, I reckon Bixillarla is doing her job correctly.

No one is saying (s)he is not doing his/her job, they're saying that player is bad.

[VanilleFang]

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So if a tank does nothing but hold hate through enmity attacks are they still a good tank? What about a DPS that just uses their strongest abilities without taking advantage of their supportive abilities (Mantra, Second Wind etc.)? A healer who does nothing but heal is a detriment to the party. If you are going to be lazy and stand around when healing isn't need you are a bad healer. FFXIV isn't the same as other MMOs. Yes, it is never stated that a healer HAS to DPS. But you want to be seen as a good healer in this game then you should at least attempt to do so, even if you don't stance dance. I just see it as pure laziness or an unwillingness to learn your role to its fullest.

I picked to be a healer to heal. But learning that we could also DPS between times of healing, to help take the monsters down faster, I saw it as another way to be to support my party. If something is dead it doesn't do damage. Standing around and doing nothing when you don't need to heal is a hindrance on the party. You are not helping them, or yourself.

[MeiUshu]

I got the other category of players that purposedly in a low level dungeon gear normally eat all the aoes and when asked why the answer was: because it speeds up the LB2, but at the same time drains my mana at hyper speed, next I will make sure that whoever eats an aoe more then 2x, I will let him die...all categories in a dungeon you will meet....nothing you can do.

[Callback]

I got the other category of players that purposedly in a low level dungeon gear normally eat all the aoes and when asked why the answer was: because it speeds up the LB2, but at the same time drains my mana at hyper speed, next I will make sure that whoever eats an aoe more then 2x, I will let him die...all categories in a dungeon you will meet....nothing you can do.

Doesn't it only speed it up if you let them get under 10% before intervening?

[NorthernLadMSP]

Personally, I think this fad is not real players but bots.

A few weeks ago, while leveling WAR, there was a SMN that had no pet out at all and was only casting Ruin.

Then, last night a BRD that literally only used Straight Shot.

Both times, when asked what was up, it was dead silence. Both times, a considerable amount of time was spent AFK. Both were kicked from the dungeons.

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

The way I see it:
Tanks need to keep agro and use defensive skills.
DPS need to do the most damage that they can and use their dps buff skills (many do not use this, why?)
Healers keep everyone alive, raise the dead and make sure the buffs are up.

Aslong players are doing these things, they are doing their job, in my opinion. Everything else is extra. That DPS that uses Virus or Eye For Eye or helps healing when the Healer is having troubles keeping everyone alive is a amazing player. The Tanks that contributes by doing alot of damage, they are amazing players. The Healers that are able to switch between healing and dealing damage, are amazing players.

Bixillarla might not be taking full adventage of her skills, but this does not mean that she is not doing her job. Lets not forget prior to 3.0 not being able to do speed runs meant you as a player were not doing your job. Untill SE comes here and says that Healers NEED to do DPS, I reckon Bixillarla is doing her job correctly.

Our "job" is to clear content.

People don't run VA just to tank something/heal someone/dps things. We are in there for loot drops and ESO. In order to obtain these items, you must clear content. (pretty simple right???) I would be able to run an entire dungeon usine the combination of shield lob, flash and circle of scorn (for aggro) along with defensive cooldowns and still do my job according to you. Would any one of you believe this is acceptable???

Why does a healer get a free pass for doing nothing for the 10 seconds inbetween cure cast times? (I am disregarding times when mass damage is going out and all you can do is spam heals, those spikes of damage happen, but they do not run for the entire length of a fight)

I am tired of the "it's not my job" argument. It is a self-centered thought and a crutch that too many people hide behind. So you rolled a healer, and your job is to "only" heal. Please let me know when 8 healers clear Titan (or any other content) by only healing.

I am not asking for healers to put up 1k dps - but you can do something.

People seem to lose sight on the fact that there are 3/7/23 other players in the same room with them, and that the content being worked is a TEAM effort.

[Zojha]

Please let me know when 8 healers clear Titan (or any other content) by only healing.

Anyone else facepalming a little at that?

It's a trinity game. There are people whose job is to make sure the bad guy doesn't attack the squishies, there are people whose job is to make the bad guy die and there are people whose job is to keep all the other guys alive.

Those are the so called "roles" you queue up for. You cannot beat content with the entire party only healing and that is exactly why there are tank and DPS slots. If you feel like filling more than one role, that's a commendable effort, but not part of your job. Your job is clearly defined by your role.

And if you don't like that, ask for the trinity to be abolished. Then everyone is responsible for everything.

[Gilraen]

Why does a healer get a free pass for doing nothing for the 10 seconds inbetween cure cast times?

Our 'job' is to have fun. The game gives us dungeons and missions to have fun with. And if you think healing is so easy that they're sitting on their thumbs all day then you try it. And yes, I have tried it. I've tried healing in most pre-Heavensward dungeons, even pre-nerf Pharos, and it's not as easy as you'd like to think. Speaking of pre-nerf Pharos... never beat it as healer. Not once. As Bard I've cleared it repeatedly, but never as healer. It's a tough job without DD'ing, always having to weigh which spell to use (though Scholar has that easier than White Mage), having to bank your time so that you aren't stuck casting one spell when you really need to cast something else. Having to jam the healing cause you needed to move and someone else didn't.

Personally, I'm actually more appreciative of a healer patiently waiting to heal over one that's mixing in attack spells. It tends to mean that any damage that pops up will be dealt with immediately. Too often I've seen healers who, in trying to DD, burn through their mp healing because they forgot to dispel Cleric Stance or letting the tank die because they waiting out casting times. This is especially prevalent when tanks are committing the other faux pas of forcing speed runs. I'd rather the healer be focused on healing so that when it's needed it's there and when it's not it's ready and waiting.

[LionFranco]

I'll admit, I'm scared to death of healing, but I've healed Levi X unsynced before (albeit not very well, lol) and I still managed to put out dots on the boss and adds. And if this paranoid Scholar could do it, than a super experienced healer should have no problem. I do have trouble with stance dancing though.