Quick question to all dps people in regards to dps in general

[whiskeybravo]

Well there is that little caveat, if we had to wait 8 months between scob savage and fcob certainly more people would've been attempting it at least. So if groups spent more time optimizing scob savage, at some point I'm sure at least 1 group of the best players would've been able to carry/sell a savage run, would you consider it at that point to be overgeared content? Even tho the gear itself didn't change? That's kinda what I meant by your logic.

I'm not really trying to argue with you about any of this, I just find it interesting that something can be called overgeared farm content when only like 3% of the game's population has actually cleared it lol

[MrCookTM]

Well there is that little caveat, if we had to wait 8 months between scob savage and fcob certainly more people would've been attempting it at least. So if groups spent more time optimizing scob savage, at some point I'm sure at least 1 group of the best players would've been able to carry/sell a savage run, would you consider it at that point to be overgeared content? Even tho the gear itself didn't change? That's kinda what I meant by your logic.

I'm not really trying to argue with you about any of this, I just find it interesting that something can be called overgeared farm content when only like 3% of the game's population has actually cleared it lol

Yeah I get ya. First of all, I'm talking purely from the perspective of a raider, so I assume the playerbase we're talking about has a decent understanding of they're jobs and how to handle raid mechanics at the very least. From this perspective I would even go as far and as saying that A1s and A2s are close to being faceroll content, because they are very easy mechanically and the things that made them hard initially - dps, tank, heal checks, aka gear checks - are pretty much nonexistent at this point. Every decent player that knows what he does can clear them easily.

A3 and A4 are still a different thing, though. I still think the the gear check for these is gone with Thordan weapons available and gobtwines for everyone, but they are in fact very, very challenging turns when it comes to mechanics and group coordination, and they're unforgiving, which means a major mistake can easily cause a wipe, which makes them still require high execution, even with current gear. So in my opinion, for the groups that are clearing savage for quite a while now, yes, it's overgeared farm content. For everyone else it's at least overgeared, still not neccessarily farm content if they didn't clear A3/4s yet, though.

Regarding ScoB savage, maybe there would have been groups being able to sell certain turns in i110, at least t6 savage. For the other turns I'm not sure though. Not saying it's entirely impossible, but it would be a major challenge to do it. People normally sell content which they are a 100% confident in clearing it with 7 people in a short amount of time, which I don't think would work with ScoB in i110, though.

[Krindor]

Well there is that little caveat, if we had to wait 8 months between scob savage and fcob certainly more people would've been attempting it at least. So if groups spent more time optimizing scob savage, at some point I'm sure at least 1 group of the best players would've been able to carry/sell a savage run, would you consider it at that point to be overgeared content? Even tho the gear itself didn't change? That's kinda what I meant by your logic.

I'm not really trying to argue with you about any of this, I just find it interesting that something can be called overgeared farm content when only like 3% of the game's population has actually cleared it lol

Problem was that until fcob was released Savage was on the same lockout as normal. A lot of groups preferred to get their gear from all coils instead of trying to kill savage. And no one would probably wanna pay the huge amount of gil they would charge for selling savage just to get a title so it wasn't really worth anything for the sellers.