Can a ninja explain this to me

[Viridiana]

I mentioned multi part raids as well the same principle would relate to WoD and I've accomplished the same thing in Alexander.

If Huton is up for Oppressor, you're either killing Faust later than 2 minutes in or not waiting for people's CDs to reset. A2S you zone straight in to the "boss" fight. A3S is straight into the boss, and so is A4S.

So for any of the serious raids, you're not gonna be maintaining Huton just from AC. You're going to want to wait for Ninjutsu to come off CD. I guess in A1 and A2 you can AC your way to not needing it, and it's not like any of the non-Savage raids need max DPS anyway...

[Morbid]

If Huton is up for Oppressor, you're either killing Faust later than 2 minutes in or not waiting for people's CDs to reset. A2S you zone straight in to the "boss" fight. A3S is straight into the boss, and so is A4S.

So for any of the serious raids, you're not gonna be maintaining Huton just from AC. You're going to want to wait for Ninjutsu to come off CD. I guess in A1 and A2 you can AC your way to not needing it, and it's not like any of the non-Savage raids need max DPS anyway...

An encounter where you zone right in would fall inline with doing Trials or Primals.. you're not saying anything much different than the previous poster.

[Viridiana]

An encounter where you zone right in would fall inline with doing Trials or Primals.. you're not saying anything much different than the previous poster.

But...the original question was about the proper NIN opener when max DPS matters, and all of your responses have been about situations where DPS doesn't matter as highly.

[Morbid]

How does having all cooldowns ready not relate? I made my point in the thread.. not here to debate different methods like that. I gave OP a plausible tactic.. that works..

I'm only looking at a NIN needing a 15 sec wait. If you apply my method you don't except for the encounters where you load from start with a boss looking at you and even then your nitpicking your refresh would be well in time for dps to benefit.

[Viridiana]

If you apply my method you don't except for the encounters where you load from start with a boss looking at you and even then your nitpicking your refresh would be well in time for dps to benefit.

Which is every instance that the OP was probably asking about. Again, no one's really talking about using a pulling macro outside of Thorax, Savage, and maybe RavEx. The only one of those where you might be able to maintain Huton from one pull to another is A1S, but you'll be waiting on other people's CDs and can't maintain Huton long enough to go into the fight without having hard refreshed. So if you want to give him advice about a situation he's probably not asking about, sure. Just don't be surprised when people point it out.

[Morbid]

Which is every instance that the OP was probably asking about. Again, no one's really talking about using a pulling macro outside of Thorax, Savage, and maybe RavEx. The only one of those where you might be able to maintain Huton from one pull to another is A1S, but you'll be waiting on other people's CDs and can't maintain Huton long enough to go into the fight without having hard refreshed. So if you want to give him advice about a situation he's probably not asking about, sure. Just don't be surprised when people point it out.

Well the fact that he only said static in addition to the method being plausible leaves my post valid. As valid as any suggestions you give him and again I state if you can manage Huton with AC efficiently 1min is enough time to get to boss and engage.

Thanks... done here

[softestPAWSintheEAST]

i still prefer the suiton after DE opener and mug+jug together to fit in the TA window

[Houston009]

i still prefer the suiton after DE opener and mug+jug together to fit in the TA window

Still requires 15s after huton (15s pull macro), which the guy above you fails to understand that giving ninja 15-20s(after huton) is extremely optimal for the raid.

I like suiton after DE/AE aswell, do either/or depending on current latency.

[MrCookTM]

i still prefer the suiton after DE opener and mug+jug together to fit in the TA window

I like suiton DE/AE aswell

That's fine and all, but please elaborate on the reasons. Yes I'm pretty stubborn here, but I just fail to understand why you would prefer something that's proven to be mathematically worse, while not having any other kind of benefit in exchange. I just don't get it.

[Houston009]

That's fine and all, but please elaborate on the reasons. Yes I'm pretty stubborn here, but I just fail to understand why you would prefer something that's proven to be mathematically worse, while not habing any other kind of benefit in exchange. I just don't get it.

I said I like it, not that I prefer it. I like opening with suiton.

If you wanna know the actual benefits of suiton after DE/AE its that suiton gets fully buffed by B4B/IR/Pot(Not sure if Foe is on target if suiton is first attack). Not that I'd weigh it over opening with suiton, but you asked.