Can a ninja explain this to me

[saber_alter]

I was told by a few static mates that ninjas require a fifteen second prep macro to get completely ready. I'm sure they're right (they are normally), but it seems like an awful long amount of time to setup.

What in the ninja opener requires this much preparation?

[Morbid]

Lol no..

They must be counting Mudra cooldown after Huton.. you don't need to wait.. by the time you finish you first rotation it will be close to up again.

[Houston009]

Lol no..

They must be counting Mudra cooldown after Huton.. you don't need to wait.. by the time you finish you first rotation it will be close to up again.

Dude, try a 15-20s pull macro after Huton. You'll love how much better ninja's opener is with Suiton -> Trick Attack from the start, so will your party.

[Morbid]

Dude, try a 15-20s pull macro after Huton. You'll love how much better ninja's opener is with Suiton -> Trick Attack from the start, so will your party.

That's what I'm saying if you use Armor Crush to maintain Huton then you don't have to wait at boss for the NIN at least to recast Huton. All of your cooldowns will immediately be available...

[Viridiana]

That's what I'm saying if you use Armor Crush to maintain Huton then you don't have to wait at boss for the NIN at least to recast Huton. All of your cooldowns will immediately be available...

The problem is that you seem to be discussing dungeons while everyone else here is discussing raiding. I don't think anyone's advocating 15 second pull macros in Pharos.

[Morbid]

I mentioned multi part raids as well the same principle would relate to WoD and I've accomplished the same thing in Alexander. My point wouldn't be applicable in something like Primals or Trials perhaps.

I made 2nd post sorry.

[Osteichthyes]

When I do raiding this time is used to get huton with as much time as possible on while having the mudras available on engage for TA. Nothing worse than having to huton on engage then TA when everyone's CD's have worn off.

[Sleigh]

Yes, you want to wait 15-20s before pull. You want to either pull with Suiton and eventually Trick, or you want your Mudra to come back 5~ seconds after pull so you can Suiton then. You need to have Trick Attack early in your opener, both for your sake and more importantly, the raid's sake, to buff everyone when they're at their strongest.

[MrCookTM]

Yes, you want to wait 15-20s before pull. You want to either pull with Suiton and eventually Trick, or you want your Mudra to come back 5~ seconds after pull so you can Suiton then. You need to have Trick Attack early in your opener, both for your sake and more importantly, the raid's sake, to buff everyone when they're at their strongest.

This. 15 Seconds is the absolute minimum, because if you don't suiton during pull, you need to do it after your first rotation, which is roughly 5,4-6 soconds into the fight depending on skillspeed. It's far from optimal though to weave a three step mudra into your rotation while your you're under B4B/IR/pot, so precasting suiton during pull is the best option. To do that, you need 20+ seconds.

A lot of groups (including mine) opt for the ninja doing the pull macro for obvious reasons.