A3S nerfs incoming

[Fevelle]

I really think you can relate.
You ever feel like you wanted something a bit less once you saw that everyone had one? Did you ever really want that new glamour that came out, but once it became less expensive and more people were wearing it, you really didn't want it as much?
I really doubt that you've never experienced something like that, I'm sure some people don't feel it very often, but I doubt anyone is so 'perfect' as to never feel a bit shallow or envious. Sure, it's vain and a bit shallow, but exclusivity and uniqueness is a very desirable thing.

If you're one of the very small percentage of people that has accomplished X difficult task in an mmo, and you have the reward to prove it, you'd probably be of the opinion that it's a good feeling to know you're one of the few.

On games? Nope, never felt like it. I feel like this when people start reading something I love and ruining it with memes and the like.
Even when I played Ragnarok, and was in one of the first groups to kill MVP Beelzebub after Nameless dropped, I didn't feel that special. I felt special when I did the Level 4 Weapon quest and got me a Slash. As I said, maybe because I come from previous games from this franchise and other old J-RPGs, what makes me feel accomplished is finishing a heavy questline, where I had to dedicate myself and work to get my reward.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I dare say steps of faith would qualify as giving substantial rewards, Heavensward being gated behind it and all.

Motivation was at an all-time high there. Even so, it was nerfed, likely because Yoshi and the crew realized that forcing people to "git gut" doesn't work when people have the option to just leave the game instead.

The issue was Steps of Faith was done so badly by the player base that any time it popped up in the roulette, people would rather bail and take the 30 minute penalty than to deal with people who were new to the trial or were just bad at it. This, in turn, made it even more difficult for people who still needed to clear it since now nobody wanted to help them. I didn't see motivation. I saw people not wanting to waste their time on a trial that doesn't reset on a wipe.

[Cherie]

Steps of faith got nerfed for obvious reasons (*cough*they want people to be able to unlock expansion*cough*)

Coil nerfs came out progressively and then when caps were removed, further nerfs occurred (I mean, it was pretty old by that point anyway).

Does Thordan need to be nerfed? I mostly have done it with party finder groups. So far, I've farmed enough tokens for the barding and several weapons as well as getting drop weapons. I haven't really even done it with my static all that much. In a month everyone will probably have relic weapons that will be better anyway. If they nerf it in a month, it won't really matter all that much. But I think most of us know that with ravana having better weapons than bismarck, that people didn't ever do bismarck all that much. Sadly this will probably happen to thordan when alex is nerfed and relics are out.

Considering that diadem is making many of the drops in alexander seem not that hot, perhaps a alex nerf wouldn't be a bad thing. It would have been a lot more timely if it happened with some new alexander fights to do however. I have a feeling that the next patch there will be nothing much to do but grind out your relic. I know the people that still want clears are going to do be doing alex, but even they will get bored after a few clears if it's just glamour gear to them.

Personally I don't like nerfs, not because players will be beating content they don't "deserve" to, but just cause even those people getting clears after the nerf will get super bored quickly since they won't be getting anything good out of it but maybe the achievement. It might even be that much harder to find anyone willing to go and it was already difficult to find people that were interested.

[Daenarys_Targaryen]

While I agree, Yoshida already stated that they aren't bringing any other contents with Thodan EX's difficulty level, so I wouldn't be surprised with a nerf on the upcoming hotfixes.

While yes he said that, which is unfortuante Thordan is great. I highly doubt they would nerf it in the patch right after it came out. Itll be around a month since we got Thordan way too early for a nerf. Alex Savage I can see getting nerfed thats fine, but not Thordan.

[RiceisNice]

Personally I don't like nerfs, not because players will be beating content they don't "deserve" to, but just cause even those people getting clears after the nerf will get super bored quickly since they won't be getting anything good out of it but maybe the achievement. It might even be that much harder to find anyone willing to go and it was already difficult to find people that were interested.

The other end of the spectrum is that the (only) content available is too excessively hard that people don't want to attempt it for various reasons (burn out being the primary one). I know this is the case for A3s on my server and at least 4 of the members we had to go through.

When a nerf goes out, it's usually in the form of a content patch (or mid patch which adds a new tier afterwards) that comes with other things.

[Aquaslash]

If it ever does get nerfed, that's disappointing. I'd like to clear it in its initial difficulty

[Saccharin]

If it ever does get nerfed, that's disappointing. I'd like to clear it in its initial difficulty

Serious question, why haven't you done it yet?

[UBERHAXED]

Serious question, why haven't you done it yet?

Based on the join date, they recently got the game. Probably had to go through all of 2.X for a while before they hit 60.

[Saccharin]

Based on the join date, they recently got the game. Probably had to go through all of 2.X for a while before they hit 60.

Maybe, but not everyone joins the forums at the same time as joining the game.

[Kotemon]

As a semi-casual I'd try Alex savage just to complete it or farm weapons if they were available. Except I kept seeing, healer or DPS needed, be on A3 or know fight or boot. Then some reason even in the beginning there was the occasional max ilevel (~200) requirement ???. While I have no opinion to agree or disagree about what adjustments are needed. I just don't care. By the time I get a DPS and Healer to 60 and geared for savage, and memorized videos for content I've never done before. Alex normal Part 2 would have been released and other methods for getting gear upgraded would have become available. Then by the time I do get access to pt.2 other avenues to gear up and advance would have become available and possibly pt.3 or raid #2

Not when people don't want to do it.

Exactly.