Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[zosia]

All well and good, but that's not what the original post is asking for. All they want is a personal parser, something neither side should have a problem with. I know the ant-parser side doesn't because all we ask is to leave us outof it, you know, "Don't ask, don't tell." A personal parser should be the epitome of 'having your cake and really eating it, too'. But this doesn't seem to satisfy the pro-parser crowd at all, and it's baffling. Anti-parsers aren't going to become irrate if someone asks if they are using a personal parser, they will likely calmly say they don't and the discussion, if everyone is level-headed about it, ends at that. And those who are running personal parsers can chime in and share! Everyone gets their way. The only argument against parsers being personal that I can see is if you want to drag others into it, willingly or not. I get the feeling the original post wants to avoid that, to which I say, "Good on you."

Except it's not. Context context context! You have no idea how well you are doing unless you can compare and contrast with others.

Also, you have not addressed blacklist and report. Why is that not good enough? Especially when we can see how it works on live servers. Harassing a player with a parser gets you a one way ticket to the ban hammer festival. Why do you think that would be any different with a parser provided by SE to all players?

[Ilitsa]

I'm all for a PERSONAL parser being added, as an optional function, I would like to say, however;

And you know what? I still call bad players out, without citing a parser. So, this whole sense of "we need to protect people from harassment" is just a poor strawman. People already get called out, it's not something that will go away. Parsers are not going away and people like you are creating two tiers of players by trying to police interactions over the internet.

I have my parser access, so I am happy. How about you stop being so selfish, grow a thicker skin, understand the internet is full of jerks regardless of parsers, and help players like the OP help themselves.

THIS sort of attitude is where the problem lies, not in the parser itself. People like this is what gives parsers a bad reputation. A parser is simply a tool, people like this poster put that tool into a bad light by using it in a bad way. It has nothing to do with "getting thicker skin" no one should be made to feel uncomfortable or embarassed. "Calling someone out" does nothing to help a situation. People need to learn that not every human being is like them, I'm not gonna say that it bothers ME personally, because I tend to just laugh assholes off and get on with my day, but some people ARE inherently more fragile mentally, emotionally, and no one on the internet will change those people. It's called being human. Learn some damned compassion, the 'net will be a better place for it.

[Ryel]

THIS sort of attitude is where the problem lies, not in the parser itself. People like this is what gives parsers a bad reputation. A parser is simply a tool, people like this poster put that tool into a bad light by using it in a bad way. It has nothing to do with "getting thicker skin" no one should be made to feel uncomfortable or embarassed. "Calling someone out" does nothing to help a situation. People need to learn that not every human being is like them, I'm not gonna say that it bothers ME personally, because I tend to just laugh assholes off and get on with my day, but some people ARE inherently more fragile mentally, emotionally, and no one on the internet will change those people. It's called being human. Learn some damned compassion, the 'net will be a better place for it.

I don't want to dig into this too deeply because it's the fast track to 30 pages of derail so I'll keep it brief.

Life does not work this way.

Yes everyone is different, yes compassion is great, some will have it and some will not.

Everyone has varying levels of tolerance and understanding, learning how to deal with both sides of the spectrum is key when playing a game with 500+ thousand other players.

There are times when a thicker skin is going to be needed and no you cannot expect others to roll over and consider the feelings of every individual person in every scenario, just like you said yourself that you can laugh it off and recognize a jerk while others may not be able to.

This is the doorway to a semantics argument that will get nowhere fast.

I'm sure you're aware of this as well.

Both sides need to give a little as this can be applied to literally anything in game that involves more than one person not just parsers.

[Ghishlain]

I'm just going to add one minor semantic argument to why I disagree with just a Personal Parser.

If I'm playing AST in a random PuG, I need to know who's providing the best DPS so I can give them the DPS-enhancing cards (within reason, 2nd DPS may get it if my CDs line up with theirs). I can't get that kind of information without a group wide Parser being implemented.

[Kezy_Kaatapoh]

THIS sort of attitude is where the problem lies, not in the parser itself. People like this is what gives parsers a bad reputation. A parser is simply a tool, people like this poster put that tool into a bad light by using it in a bad way. It has nothing to do with "getting thicker skin" no one should be made to feel uncomfortable or embarassed. "Calling someone out" does nothing to help a situation. People need to learn that not every human being is like them, I'm not gonna say that it bothers ME personally, because I tend to just laugh assholes off and get on with my day, but some people ARE inherently more fragile mentally, emotionally, and no one on the internet will change those people. It's called being human. Learn some damned compassion, the 'net will be a better place for it.

I could be wrong, but he's talking about calling someone out in content where it matters. Yes, that does help a situation. If someone is causing a problem to the success of a group, consistently, then it needs to be mentioned to them. Not to be an asshole, so that you can figure out what exactly the problem is. Maybe they have a misconception of something, maybe something is going wrong, maybe it's just a bad day! "Calling them out" probably wasn't the best usage of words, more like addressing the person/issue (I could be wrong, I'm just assuming, as this is always how raid content has been handled with me).

No, not every person is the same, but as I've said earlier in this thread, you can't account for tending to every person's emotional issues, otherwise this wouldn't be a game that requires human interaction, because that's fundamental to human interaction. If someone takes offense to something that does not intend offense, then I'm sorry they feel that way, but it's ultimately their problem to deal with. Could it have been worded better? Maybe. And to say many won't think about if they could have worded something better (I definitely would) would just be naive. But so many people look at what is being said instead of the intent behind it. There's a point where it doesn't matter how you say it, someone somewhere will always take offense. No one said people weren't being compassionate, but in a game where there is success and failure, if there is someone in particular causing failure consistently, it needs to be addressed. That's not being mean, it's the way the world works.

This whole argument is becoming pointless. It's based off assumptions in every way shape and form and is purely semantics at this point.

[zosia]

I'm all for a PERSONAL parser being added, as an optional function, I would like to say, however;THIS sort of attitude is where the problem lies, not in the parser itself. People like this is what gives parsers a bad reputation. A parser is simply a tool, people like this poster put that tool into a bad light by using it in a bad way. It has nothing to do with "getting thicker skin" no one should be made to feel uncomfortable or embarassed. "Calling someone out" does nothing to help a situation. People need to learn that not every human being is like them, I'm not gonna say that it bothers ME personally, because I tend to just laugh assholes off and get on with my day, but some people ARE inherently more fragile mentally, emotionally, and no one on the internet will change those people. It's called being human. Learn some damned compassion, the 'net will be a better place for it.

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----------Strawman Alert!-----------

Let me dissect that contribution for ya.

It has nothing to do with "getting thicker skin" no one should be made to feel uncomfortable or embarassed.

Where did I say people should be made to feel uncomfortable or embarrassed? Please do tell! If anything, I have been a big proponent in this thread about black listing and reporting harassment. People DO get banned for being harassing a$$ hats.

"Calling someone out" does nothing to help a situation.

In what sense is calling someone out a bad thing? In what context? I provided none but you seem to insinuate and assert that I would call someone out in the worst sense? It's called conceptual semantics. The tone I used in my writing SHOULD suggest I have no interest in belittling players since I promote blacklist and report. I have no interest in getting myself banned so why would you make a logical conclusion that I would "call someone out" at my own detriment (AKA get myself banned)? If you use a bit of deductive reasoning, you could easily see that I call out players in a manner that does not violate the terms of service. Simply put, "calling someone out" can consist of belittling the player in the worst way to simply giving them constructive and reasonable advice. I will leave it to you to guess which method I use.... but please, construct your straw man and assert what ever you *think* my opinion is to deconstruct some argument that addresses none of the pro-parser crowd's valid points.

We have "black lists"
We have "report a player"
We have a ToS that is very strict against ALL types of harassment.

People need to learn that not every human being is like them

It's called being human. Learn some damned compassion

Yeah, I certainly did not know people came in all sorts of shapes, types, and flavors. I must also have no compassion! But hey, I guess strawmen don't have a heart... or brain? I don't remember, but in this case why don't we just assume both.... oh wait, you already did! Bravo!

On a serious note, With tools such as black lists and report a player for harassment, why is it even a concern of yours if we have any type of parser? Banning parser harassment on our live servers has worked very well, why would it stop working if SE released an official parser?

[Taika]

To be fair, I'm perfectly ok with making a party wide parser only being viewable in PF content, aka Savage and EX Primals, and making everything else only have a personal parser, but there needs to be a party wide parser of some form in that content.

I hope this is a suggestion everyone could agree with? Just tie it to premade party content so that it's available for all content where it's actually needed and no one who doesn't want to use it has to use it.

[Tigerlilley]

OP here.
Someone else posted almost the exact same thing I did over at reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...onal_parser_i/

Everyone had a nice chat, no one brought in their boyfriends or mums to talk about that one time that guy from that other server was mean, pros and cons were discussed, ideas were thrown out there.

Thanks for the almost 40 pages of ...whatever this was.

May we all be better dps one day, with the ability to monitor our own rotations and the grace to not be a twat about it.

[Ghishlain]

OP here.
Someone else posted almost the exact same thing I did over at reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...onal_parser_i/

Everyone had a nice chat, no one brought in their boyfriends or mums to talk about that one time that guy from that other server was mean, pros and cons were discussed, ideas were thrown out there.

Thanks for the almost 40 pages of ...whatever this was.

May we all be better dps one day, with the ability to monitor our own rotations and the grace to not be a twat about it.

38 pages! It keeps getting pruned! =p

Though in all honesty, that's the advantage (and disadvantage) of a downvote system - it keeps the unimportant points to a minimum but is open to abuse if a factual but unpopular point is raised - it gets downvoted into oblivion. Ah well.

I hope you enjoyed laughing on the sideline at all the silly bickering and at least it kept your thread on the first page

[Critical-Limit]

We have "black lists"
We have "report a player"
On a serious note, With tools such as black lists and report a player for harassment, why is it even a concern of yours if we have any type of parser? Banning parser harassment on our live servers has worked very well, why would it stop working if SE released an official parser?

I really hope anti-parser people respond to this point.