Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Ryel]

Wanting a Parser for improvement and wanting a parser for finding the weakest link in a party are two different subjects. It seems the latter is what the majority of people seem to care about though whenever parsers come up in a convo. The OP actually just cares about improving which is ironic.

No, what's ironic is that you don't realize the two are actually the same thing.

You cannot have one without the other, how can one improve if they don't know where improvement starts?

Self improvement and party evaluation are not mutually exclusive concepts, they go hand in hand.

Finding the weakest link in the party also means that player now has a point of reference to start improving, any player can sit there and spike high numbers on a stationary dummy parse because it doesn't move or hit back, the real test is going into live content where it matters and seeing if your skills and gear hold up while you deal with fight mechanics.

Maybe that player learns they need to hold a GCD between a certain move? Maybe that DRG knows they are going to lose BoTD due to a phase change so they need to adjust before hand? Maybe the BLM has to change the timing of when they toss down Ley Lines in order to get the most out of it's duration? Maybe your accuracy was too low for the encounter or maybe you're overshooting by 100 points and can swap out a piece of gear?

These are things you learn in live content and are exactly how you improve your play.

The thing is this happens at the same time you are also trying to clear content and this is where proper evaluation and data helps and if a single player isn't up to the level of the content it doesn't mean that the 7 others in the party aren't either, they should have every right to know this and adjust accordingly if they need to in order to continue making attempts on the fight.

The key is not taking critique as a negative.

It's entirely possible to be the weakest link one run, get some practice in and turn around to top the charts the next time around, but if you had no idea that you were under-performing before then how would you have any idea whether or not you needed to improve?

[Critical-Limit]

I work with what you give me. I've already attacked the meat of the argument which you would have noticed actually contained a legit reason as to why someone doesnt want paerser's unless "its toggleable" not to protect egos.

Why does it need to be toggle-able?

Explain to me what benefit comes from turning it off and blinding yourself and your party to your performance. If at all possible keep it out of "protecting feelings" if you can I doubt you can come up with a good reason.

And you ignored my argument. Explain to me how not being offended outweighs equality in options?

Try to argue both of my questions.

[Kazumac]

Why does it need to be toggle-able?

Explain to me what benefit comes from turning it off and blinding yourself and your party to your performance. If at all possible keep it out of "protecting feelings" if you can I doubt you can come up with a good reason.

And you ignored my argument. Explain to me how not being offended outweighs equality in options?

Try to argue both of my questions.

The benefit is we might get some of those afraid of harassment to agree to it? I'm in agreement I don't think there is much benefit but i also don't mind not parsing DF randoms. I don't really care about "protecting feels" (you can see no other posts on that) and I don't thing it would change a thing about harassment if there was a toggle. I just want to move some stick in the muds anti parser people. Other than that it serves no real benefit.

[Critical-Limit]

The benefit is we might get some of those afraid of harassment to agree to it? I'm in agreement I don't think there is much benefit

I understand why we would agree to that. I want to know why the other side would agree to that. And the REAL reason I'm asking him specifically this is because he claims it's "not to protect egos". So I'd like to hear the real reason why he thinks that should be an option. He claims there is a non-feelings part to this being an option I want to hear it.

If SE held a vote and parser side was losing because we vote pure transparency, but we could win with a toggle option. I could understand why we would settle for that. But I want to hear his reasoning

[Gilraen]

Basically what the title says.

I've started levelling ninja and the inability to critique my own opener or be able to see rotation errors dps wise in a dungeon is just so frustrating. I feel like I'm running completely blind without a parser (ps4 player here).

For some reason people get up in arms about parsing but I don't care about seeing other people's or not. I want to be able to see my own to properly learn a class.

There was a whisper of a in game parser palace that's basically never been spoke of again, is that still a thing that's going to happen?

Is it such a big deal to implement a personal parser? You would only be able to see yourself that way and not use it to bully others or whatever it is SE are worried about.

Okay... this thread has been off the rails long enough. Looking back my replies haven't been to the topic, but rather to the multitudes of people going back and forth about something the original post isn't even asking for. So I'll help reiterate, what's wrong with a personal parser? If you want to know someone else's numbers why not ask? If they don't want to share then that's that. Why is this such a big deal?

[Ryel]

Okay... this thread has been off the rails long enough. Looking back my replies haven't been to the topic, but rather to the multitudes of people going back and forth about something the original post isn't even asking for. So I'll help reiterate, what's wrong with a personal parser? If you want to know someone else's numbers why not ask? If they don't want to share then that's that. Why is this such a big deal?

It's answered literally less than 10 posts prior to this one...

[Taika]

So I'll help reiterate, what's wrong with a personal parser? If you want to know someone else's numbers why not ask? If they don't want to share then that's that. Why is this such a big deal?

Personal parser doesn't give you any context for your numbers, like seeing the DPS numbers for the whole group would. It also doesn't help to identify why a group is failing a DPS check, especially when asked people are able to just lie about their numbers. A group parser - which is already available for and used by a big part of players who are taking part in content where DPS matters in the first place - is much more useful and fair for everyone.

Edit: There are already situations where people who are doing low DPS are attacking others for "being bad". An official group parser would prevent these situations.

[zosia]

^ Haha! No seriously, no wonder the JP servers laugh at us, is because of people like you, and this hilarious thread whining about how you cant improve your deeps without the use of 3rd party tool, is quite funny.

Yeah no wonder, we have players like you who become zealous in their stance despite having no experience in the current end game savage. Just another misinformed player making baseless assumptions to support a very very poor argument. We have already told you how parsers are key to tightening up your rotation and you just ignore the point.

The JP think we are a joke because they use tools like parsers and a black list site for bad players and that get's contrasted against players like you who want this game to be some SJW non-hurt feelings safe space. It's cool though, I have my cake and get to eat it too. It's the PS3/PS4 players who are effected by this and you have no sympathy for them, you rather keep those players down for some absurd reason. How very selfish of you.

[Waliel]

I read dPS forum stuff all the time. It's usually "theory" on potency like you said but then people run it through the parse to "test it" its one of the things they did to find out if clipping certain dots was worth it.

Plenty of times people were wrong on theory proven through parse. Fracture being a par of monk rotation back in the day people believed in theory fracture was DPS loss. Turns out no there is a small window of time where it's dPS gain.

I can't remember when Fracture was believed to be a straight DPS loss -- I only remember it was recommended to drop it when doing any longer fights, because the TP drain from it was pretty bad and that way resulted in a DPS loss. Maybe back in the very beginning of 2.0 when Monk had such a short duration on their buffs that they couldn't fit in anything extra.

You can basically come up with the absolute perfect and highest potency per second rotation with theory alone, but if it's any practical and worth the use or even doable anywhere harder than a dummy is a completely different thing. I can also promise you that clipping certain dots being higer PPS will also show up in theorycrafting, if you're doing it properly.

[Mycow8me]

Try to argue both of my questions.

Page34, How can you want equality in options and at the same time wonder why I simply want a toggle?

Um, I don't see how you can't have one without the other. I don't understand how a toggle would prevent someone from doing anything in the post you just stated either "but if you had no idea that you were under-performing before then how would you have any idea whether or not you needed to improve?"
It's called "toggle on" after finding other people to practice with assuming you still needed to toggle on? I cant remember a time I couldn't tell what I was doing wrong in a dungeon without the need of a parser but I could see it happening although you guys seem to think I'm against toggling it on all together and just want a toggle to play devils advocate. With toggle comes the ability to "turn it on".

This thread is a headache, I don't understand why I have to defend wanting a toggle. It's like you guys want to rub parsers into the face of everyone, even those that don't need it, don't want it, or simply only want to toggle it.

This thread is a headache, I'm seriously done guys. I'm sorry we couldn't see eye to eye.