Stop telling Tanks not to use provoke there is a place to use it when pulling mobs.

[Daenarys_Targaryen]

Haha yeah this, enmity war. From labyrinth of the ancient, up to world of darkness, good times.

Yeah they were terrible. Had a few T13 runs back in the day where I was OT and the PLD decided to pull with provoke...it never works out. Every time ended in stop pulling with provoke or we get a new tank haha.

[karateorangutang]

I've used it many times when I'm mass pulling and I can cut some time off a pull to abuse it's longer range. It has its place in pulling although only near the end of a pull or stopping early and using it to pull the last group to you. OP isn't really wrong, but I don't know that it's much of an issue.

[Freyyy]

And this is wrong. Provoke is not a buff, and therefore has no influence on any enmity other than the mob you're targetting

^ This. Provoke doesn't generate any bit of enmity except the 1 it adds to the targetted mob. Only buffs generate the base enmity. Provoke doesn't grant any buff, doesn't deal any damage, it doesn't do anything except giving you the top enmity +1. It reminds me people saying that the lifesteal from Bloodbath generates enmity like healing spells. That's another completely false statement. Lifesteal doesn't generate enmity at all.

[Malzian]

Okay, as a main PLD and having all the other tanks to 60 I will say that Provoke does have its usage for a pulling skill. Specifically (and this is completely focused on initial pull rather than an in-combat pull since this is really the crux of the issue), Provoke is useful to pull mobs from a distance when you are trying to avoid aggroing mobs around said mob that aren't actually linked to the one you are pulling. The best examples of this is the Dragon Aevis in stone vigil circling the other mobs in the room right after the first boss and the one pathing at the top of the stairs. These are good pulls to do with Provoke since they are longer pulls with less mobs to worry about.

In the most typical pulls, however, you should be using Shield Lob/Tomahawk/Unmend since it does 3 things at once: starts the fight, damages the enemy -and- sets your initial aggro on that enemy at a much higher point than Provoke does. Plus you are also not burning the Provoke cooldown in the case you might need it to regain control of a mob should it get away from you. It isn't that Provoke shouldn't be used on pulls, but you should know as a tank when it is appropriate to use Provoke and when it is better to pull with the dedicated skills, which is much more often.

[Twilite]

I don't use Provoke for pulling. I use it whenever I lose aggro and often times that's to a healer.

[Saccharin]

^ This. Provoke doesn't generate any bit of enmity except the 1 it adds to the targetted mob.

Well that is generated enmity.

I don't use Provoke for pulling. I use it whenever I lose aggro and often times that's to a healer.

If you lose to a healer you need to flash more as a PLD.

[Freyyy]

Well that is generated enmity.

Yeah, okay. You didn't understand what I was replying to.

[Rocond]

For everyone concerned about using Provoke while a Regen is ticking or other members using abilities, it's a non-issue. You typically pull mobs in at least 2-3 per pack. If you are pulling at range and you have a regen ticking on you, pulling with shield lob/tomahawk/umend will be no different than using provoke. You're still going to have to follow up with an aoe threat ability. In those scenarios even using your ranged skill, there will still be two other mobs that would run to the healer. It's not like you pull with provoke and call it a day. You follow up and intercept the mobs on their path to the party with aoe threat.

[Malzian]

For everyone concerned about using Provoke while a Regen is ticking or other members using abilities, it's a non-issue. You typically pull mobs in at least 2-3 per pack. If you are pulling at range and you have a regen ticking on you, pulling with shield lob/tomahawk/umend will be no different than using provoke. You're still going to have to follow up with an aoe threat ability. In those scenarios even using your ranged skill, there will still be two other mobs that would run to the healer. It's not like you pull with provoke and call it a day. You follow up and intercept the mobs on their path to the party with aoe threat.

You should check, as the tank, if there is a regen in play. If you have one, you can dispel it, if it's on someone else then wait until it wears off of make sure you can get to the mobs first.

[Rocond]

You should check, as the tank, if there is a regen in play. If you have one, you can dispel it, if it's on someone else then wait until it wears off of make sure you can get to the mobs first.

That is certainly an option for those timid tanks out there, however I personally don't bother. It's easy enough to pick everything up and I figure I might as well just let the regen tick since I will be taking damage right away anyway