Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Almalexia]

Let's say you votekick someone for autoattacking without using any skills, spells or abilities. You don't need a parser to determine this. It's plainly evident in the log and visible to anyone who cares to look.

They aren't AFK, but they aren't contributing much either. Most reasonable people will agree that this level of play is unacceptable and they should be removed.

Let's say you votekick someone who is using only one skill, but no combos. Or one GCD skill with oGCDs. Or one GCD skill plus oGCDs and buffs. Or one combo over and over, but nothing else. Are any of these reasonable grounds to votekick?

Let's say you votekick someone who hits every positional and executes every oGCD like clockwork, delivering 300% the output of other DPS (you need a parser to determine this). Is this reasonable?

For the purpose of these hypotheticals, assume the accused has not said anything incriminating.

Well, here's the part where I blow your mind: your criteria for a reasonable votekick don't matter.

A legitimate votekick must meet the criteria for one of the four available options in the menu. The accused can file a ticket for harassment and the GMs will dole out discipline accordingly, because differences in playstyles are not grounds for votekick.

Anti-parsers have nothing to fear as long as Level of Play isn't added as a votekick option.

[Kezy_Kaatapoh]

Fears are based in realities. It's an emotional response to perceived threats, we're human beings, we can't help but feel things. Some will fear, some will laugh, some will not care.

Fears are based in perceived realities, not realities themselves. There are people genuinely afraid of clowns. Does that mean they are right to fear clowns? That there is something wrong with clowns that makes them feel this way and clowns need to be held back or changed? No. Many of these fears mentioned about parsers are irrational fears. Irrational fears are the responsibility of the individual, not everyone around them. Please read my earlier post that you've apparently missed.

Also, I don't see why an environment where it's OK to criticize based on performance WOULDN'T be good. In content that matters, that should be encouraged. People have already shown that it wouldn't be a greater issue than it already is in content where performance doesn't matter.

[Dante_V]

Irrational fears are known as phobias.

[zosia]

Fears are based in realities. It's an emotional response to perceived threats, we're human beings, we can't help but feel things. Some will fear, some will laugh, some will not care.

Irrational fears would like to say hello ^_^/

Guess a fear in aliens, bigfoot, and the Illuminati must be based in reality somehow!

Clearly we all have to moderate how we feel about things, and controlling fears is something that humans must do throughout life. Unfortunately, simply pointing out that fears exist in the mind as an emotional response does nothing to allay those fears. If it did, none of us would be scared of anything.

Thank goodness we have something that will remedy those "fears"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamemaster

http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...=68216&id=5382

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...t_report_work/

havent heard of this particular issue....but yes, the harrassment reporting is actually viable and they WILL perform an invesitgation. just make sure you save the chat log!

I've had nothing but positive experiences with GMs so far in this game, the few times I've reported people for harassment they've always gotten back to me very quickly and listened patiently.

Yeah, it does. Sometimes. For lamest reasons. That's se support for you. Quite a few ppl were banned over parsers cause they used data to harass ppl (as in kick from party) for $%@&ty dps.

There was one time I was in a CT group with an acquaintance and he was being incredibly rude and trollsy in alliance chat. Apparently a lot of people filed reports on him because he was thrown in Mordion Gaol for a nice GM chat a few hours after. Seems to me those sorts of reports get responded to quite quickly.

Customer Service for account issues, SE is sort of bollocks.
Ingame GM issues though they don't seem to f$%# around. I've mentioned it before but when people were farming CT for Myth, we had a person from my server trolling an entire alliance by pulling the bone dragon out of the area and forcing a lock out glitch. He got away with it the first time, then when he appeared in CT again in my group he started to run at the bone dragon and suddenly popped out of the instance, almost like he DC'd but he was still in the party. Was crazy. Apparently the GMs got a hold of them since a ton of people reported.

All from that thread since I know you are just eye-balling anything longer than a page.

This concern of POTENTIAL parser abuse is highly irrational. We have a game environment already suited to ban harassers and trouble makers. Now tell me on the lalafel doll where the parser crowd hurt you.

Irrational fears are known as phobias.

That does not change Kezy's points. Irrational or rational, phobia or not, some fears are not worth humoring. The fear of parser harassment is an irrational fear. Even if it does happen, players have a path of recourse they can follow.

You were expressing my feelings and I'm sure I'm not alone. I give you a lot of credit to take the time to eloquently express yours. Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUjTEwaFI2I

[Silica-chan]

I don't really know why anyone should fear harrasment tbh. If someone starts talking down on me I will be more than happy to welcome them on my blacklist.
If I look back I've been kicked / yelled at for alot of stupid/funny reasons. the funniest was that scholar complained my gear was to low (leveling my warrior) so he had to actually heal me instead of just standing there letting his fairy do the job

Just shake it off, ignore the i**ots and move on. Try to do your best and noone will get mad at you.

[Kona_Nightwind]

Parsers are really bad. They were originally created by the CIA for mind control. They have a direct link to the JFK assassination and every other major assassination attempt in the 20th century.

[Gardes]

To people who use "just use the enmity bar" as an argument. You do realize that you're still essentially telling people that it's okay to judge other people on their performance and do whatever they deem fit with whatever information they got from looking at the enmity bar? Your so called harassment is still very possible this way. Unless, of course once everybody start using the enmity bar as a dps gauge that you'd start arguing that it's NOT accurate when people start pointing at your dps using the enmity gauge?

To people who use "just stick to people you know for hard content" as a suggestion, I thought your biggest fear was being shunned from content when people see your low dps. Now you're telling people to never even bother reaching out to strangers in the first place? You want segregation from the get go instead of inclusion based on merit? How does that work in your brain? I don't want you to exclude me but I think people should stick to their own in the first place? Are you somehow the exception to the rule?

[Aomine1992]

I would like to sincerely apologize to OP...

You simply asked for a tool to help monitor YOUR own dps, and no one else's so that you are not the burden for your savage group and look how quickly your thread was turned into a argument on topics that have little to nothing to do with your simple request...

I do hope that one of your PC friends can help you out and good luck to you on your raiding.

[Kosmos992k]

Fears are based in perceived realities, not realities themselves.

Since I am unaware of the actual realities in every situation, I can hardly say anything other than perceived realities. I can say that I am aware of the realities in a number of cases, and their fears were quite justified by reality, not simply perception. You also have to consider that fear can be a learned behavior based on a previous negative experience of actual events, which may predispose a person to fear similar situations in the future.

Also, I said perceived reality because every experience and feeling we have in life is based on our perception of what happens around us. My perceived reality can be the sun rising in the morning because I perceive the warmth of it's light. Of course the sun is in fact rising casting the warm light, so it's both reality and my perceived reality. You can use wordplay to quibble with how someone feels, but at the end of the day, when you tell someone to stop fearing something because it's a baseless fear based on their perception, not only are you telling that person how to think, but you're also implying that their perception is skewed.

As for the original point of the topic, personal parsers have limited scope for abuse, and personally I'm neither for nor against them.

[Kona_Nightwind]

Man you can't even see the forest through the trees. The OP is cleary a CIA plant. Put here the push the pro-parser agenda.