Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Crysten]

I see you don't get it but w/e. My example is, bizmark ex in learning parties. I set up learning parties and every time the group would try to clear the carapice in 1 shot, if the group didn't they would force wipe then try again and break up the party if it didn't happen. To me thats not learning thats trying to top dps it.

A person can mis-step a mechanic (low or top dps) which causes a sudden shift in the fight, like the person dies then a healer has to raise which, slows the kill rate of the over all group as 2 people are not damaging it, which causes a phase to last a bit longer which can cause a wipe. I seen it happen often in all content even in ff11 endgame. But due to parser, trhe person who mistepped wasn't to blame but the low end dps due to not being able to cover the missing damage of 2 other players.

Actually, any reasonable person would blame both of them. One for not pulling their weight and the other not handling mechanics correctly.

[Tigerlilley]

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For the people arguing that low dps players will be blamed for wipes etc, please check my original post. I have specifically stated needing a PERSONAL parser to assist improving my own rotation, not a raid wide parser to critique anyone else's.

[RickXRolled]

Southpark has actually dealt with the general idea behind the people that feel negatively towards parsers, at length, recently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQkXXBqj_U

See you guys in whataver comes after the 10 day vacation.

Just a followup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv2ZMN3T18E

[Toguro]

I understand what Yoshida is saying when he thinks the community wouldn't be able to handle an in-game parser responsibly. He's most likely talking about NA and EU. I wouldn't be surprised. With games like DC Universe Online around with EXACT public in-game damage parsers(It gives you the exact number, not a rounded one. It's a calculator), I have a feeling on what the community turn into if it was added. People getting kicked for low heal or damage numbers was a daily thing. Getting fired on for having low dps. There were DPS requirements: "LF Gadgets DPS MUST DO 1.5mil DMG G2G". DCUO was built around the dang scoreboard(parser) and it probably has the craziest community ever.

I can see a personal parser helping but then be easily abused because y'know... we're us.

PF: "LF ilvl195 DRG 1.4K DPS IF LIE KIK AND BLACKLIST"
Join party: "What's your DPS average?"
"What's your DPS average?"
"What's your DPS average?"
All day. I don't wanna hear that mess. I'm fine with the enmity list. If there's an ilvl209 monk(In Savage gear since they do tend to be better than non-endgame 209's. Just observations) and I'm getting more hate on the boss as an ilvl200 DRG, I'm just better. That's that.

I don't really want it that bad or need it. To be honest being a PS4 player and ilvl200 beating full ilvl210 + Thordan weapon guys makes me feel good inside...


And most of them didn't use enmity-reducing skills. One NIN threw a smokebomb on me once... still beat eeem doe. Most BRDs/MCHs and SMNs/BLMs I go against don't use them. I never see DRGs doing Elusive jump.

If you're in Void Ark on... the 3rd boss. You got a MNK in half ilvl200-210, never died once and is in 6th or 7th place.. no parser required that player is just bad..

For those that say an in-game parser wont be that bad, as a veteran DCUO player, played for 3 years, an in-game parser definitely CAN have a bad effect. Remember, the PS4 player base is a very large one, and the ages of these people probably...vary. Not only that, DCUOs community including the forums revolved, rotated, orbited the scoreboard system and it has a big PS community. There were no cross servers when I left(late 2014) and the community...sigh* that community. People were kicked, fried, cooked, virtually smacked or whatever for not doing 1.5mil DPS in certain instances. If you did more damage than a scoreboard chaser(that's a real thing in DCUO... the majority of people even in PvP) then you were kicked, fried, cooked, virtually smacked or whatever for doing more damage.

For those that say parser could help bad players, the scoreboard did not help players in DCUO. Alot of people quit because of it. And also, if that ilvl200 DRG is #4 on the enmity list and no Elusive Jump was seen that day or a heavy thrust or a DRG attacks, what makes you think that DRG is going to go out of their way to use a personal parser? People don't even listen in DF or thank you when you give them help. I wont vote kick a bad player if someone else puts up the vote.. its not right.


I have mixed feelings for an in-game parser.. but leaning towards not wanting one. I have never been called on DPS and have never used a parser because well.. I can't. But adding the parser to PS3/4 is indeed, alot more people with access to that and I'd say console gaming in general can be more "toxic". Not sure though. Never played a PC game.

[AlphaSonic]

Sorry 500 DPS means someone is slacking, even an Ice Mage can pull 700 DPS. (At lvl 60)

[Kosmos992k]

You know, I've got to take my hat off to the absolute hyperbole that has people taking comments that simply point out that parser based harassment does in fact happen, and conflating it with this SafeSpace crap. Posting the link to SouthPark was genius, it at once both shifts and crystallizes the debate as a face off between soft SJWs and cold hard reality.

Yes, avoid the discussion, shift the ground and belittle others all at the same time. Absolutely amazing.

Another word for a SafeSpace would be 'echo-chamber'. That however, is pretty much what these topics tend to become with one particular group posting and re-posting to agree with each other shouting down any dissent and driving away anyone with an dissenting point of view, no matter how reasonable they are.

All these folks echoing each others thoughts and closing the door on dissent, creating a great echo-chamber for yourselves. Ironically this in effect creates a 'SafeSpace' free from the nasty, terrible critics who otherwise spoil the discussion with opposing views and facts.

I don't expect this to change anything, I'm sure I'll again be dismissed, belittled, insulted and otherwise run-down in many ways. Go for it guys, have fun...in your SafeSpace.

[Arrak]

There's already a parser scoreboard. PS4 players are on it. And it fosters competition more than it causes toxicity. Besides, the API is being made, so whether you like it or not, this game will have damage meters available for everyone eventually.

[Toguro]

There's already a parser scoreboard. PS4 players are on it. And it fosters competition more than it causes toxicity. Besides, the API is being made, so whether you like it or not, this game will have damage meters available for everyone eventually.

Yeah and I have a friend who did Savage once and their score was posted on the web(without their permission or knowledge) and because their DPS was a little lower that one day, they could not get into good groups because their DPS was out there and people judged them immediately.

[Artemiz]

The problem with parsers is that like any other collection of data they require a certain level of intellect, impartiality and honesty to interpret. Put that next to gamers who are frustrated and you get arguments and finger pointing. In the right hands they are a very useful tool but morons can use them too, to them they're just a tool to justify being an arsehole.

I do agree they should be in the game though it's a disappointed agreement, the cat is out of the bag and SE can't put it back in. The only thing worse than an arsehole is an arsehole who can cherry pick data others can't see. At least if everyone had access to the data people could see the same data so cherry pickking would be much more difficult. It would however be best if they'd never been invented but it's too late for that now.

As for the South Park stuff, well that's more of a satire of SJW's like the feminist movement or Black Lives Matter, it's about more than people being dicks in video games, ultimately safe spaces are about segregation and suppresion of free speech, something the world has tried hard to consign to the annals of history and for good reason. These idiots want to bring it back because they're stupid, that's what South Park is mocking.

[Arrak]

Kosmos, the safe space argument is about people wanting freedom from critique game-wide. This is a multiplayer game. You play with other people. Parsers are merely a measuring tool. They do not create toxicity. Shit attitudes and basement dwelling does. Players will be toxic about any type of gameplay, not just a dps measure. But in the end, this is an MMORPG. You are NOT free from critique, and you should not be. If you want to be free from critique and toxicity, don't play a multiplayer game. This post was originally about a PS4 player simply wanting the same tools as PC players, tools that are available in every other MMORPG. The anti-parser crowd brought up the toxicity argument. And again, that's just part of MMORPGs and it will be present in every single one. That's what GMs are for.