Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Azazua_azura]

@ odett

You're twisting my words around and proving to have a poor attitude.

First off, if a player has a poor attitude feel free to kick them, but that goes for low or top dps.

What I'm trying to say is just kicking someone out simply due to low dps, regardless of attitude, then use the "its your fault" as a scapegoat for wipes. When it may not be the low dps person, but someone who mis steped a mechanic. Thats the attitrude i hate that came from parsing. As dps comes from a number of factors, like gear. A major factor in dps though is experience with content. Someone with more practice with the content is going tpo have a high dps, due to them knowing when to push and when to pull back

If players are getting kicked out simply over low dps (again regardless of attitude) then they can't learn or get more experience with the content.

As i keep saying, i'm neither for or against parsers. I just don't think they are the end all be all of being a great player, which is what I'm trying to convey. Which is what pro-parser players feel, they NEED a parser to prove their a good player.


I also dislike that people have a difference in opinion and play style and pro-parser use buzz words like "misguided" or buzz phrases like "well what about ice mages etc", to shoot them down. Or taunting them saying they are a bad player. This is stuff i hate, again i don't care if people use a parser. Saying one is needed is misguided as i met some really awesome console players, who don't use them nor have friends who use them.

And the comment i said based on yoshida, is when he was asked for tips on alex savage, being focus on learning and mastering the fights first, THEN worry about dps. From my experience NA/EN players do it backwards they try to top dps then learn the fight, or top dps to phase skip.

And to the quote about parser use being don't ask don't tell. These forums threads break that, and could easily be reported in game for parser use. Also if you read the last line about ff11, it did have a strict policy I recall tons of Linkshells being banned over windower, or exploiting content.

I also recall this never really being an issue in ff11, but then again people actually communicated, and gave tips on jobs and content and not go "look it up" and expect perfection.

[Kazumac]

Snip

Basically you are saying give us the tool and enforce harassment issues via in game policy? Uh sure.

Though you realize if underperformance is causing failure, it will be addressed by kicking people, abandoning or finding the underperformer and helping them. This will happen with or without a parser or strict policy. Though not being able to talk about empirical evidence due to a strict policy makes the third option less enticing. So kick (for a fake reason) or abandon is what you will be left with. Somehow the best option is gone due to the best of intentions in policy making.

[Ryel]

@ odett

You're twisting my words around and proving to have a poor attitude. First off, if a player has a poor attitude feel free to kick them, but that goes for low or top dps. What I'm trying to say is just kicking someone out simply due to low dps, regardless of attitude, Then use the "its your fault" as a scapegoat for wipes. I've been playing mmo gtames since 2004, I have tried some endgame and its honestly not a make or break, it always is a domino effect.

Hard enrages disagree with you.

1 DPS under performing by a large margin and nobody dying is more than enough to end the run on any boss that instant wipes the party if not killed in time and It just so happens that the majority of endgame encounters in FFXIV are designed around hard enrages.

That 1 DPS not playing up to snuff is more than enough to wipe the entire party from Bismark Ex to self destruct in Alexander Floor 1 (normal). Sure over gearing an encounter makes it easier for others to pick up the slack as we move on but when it comes to getting content done and especially in progression not pulling your weight can end your party.

[Odett]

@ odett

You're twisting my words around and proving to have a poor attitude. First off, if a player has a poor attitude feel free to kick them, but that goes for low or top dps. What I'm trying to say is just kicking someone out simply due to low dps, regardless of attitude, Then use the "its your fault" as a scapegoat for wipes. I've been playing mmo gtames since 2004, I have tried some endgame and its honestly not a make or break, it always is a domino effect.

That's what I'm trying to get at. I'm stating an example of where a wipe is not caused due to a domino effect and you just keep saying otherwise with no proof. If 3 DPS are doing 1k+ DPS on Faust and the fourth is doing half of that, and the group keeps wiping, it's their fault. I don't know how I can phrase that differently, DPS checks are a thing.

[Kona_Nightwind]

Parser's invade my Safe Space.

[Arrak]

I am going to tear down your safe space, brick by brick I shall smash it with glee…

What? WHO IS THAT?

You cannot stop me from getting inside. I am cold, I am hard, and my name… is ACT

[Azazua_azura]

@ ry and od

I wasn't done typing lol.

I see you don't get it but w/e. My example is, bizmark ex in learning parties. I set up learning parties and every time the group would try to clear the carapice in 1 shot, if the group didn't they would force wipe then try again and break up the party if it didn't happen. To me thats not learning thats trying to top dps it.

A person can mis-step a mechanic (low or top dps) which causes a sudden shift in the fight, like the person dies then a healer has to raise which, slows the kill rate of the over all group as 2 people are not damaging it, which causes a phase to last a bit longer which can cause a wipe. I seen it happen often in all content even in ff11 endgame. But due to parser, trhe person who mistepped wasn't to blame but the low end dps due to not being able to cover the missing damage of 2 other players.

[Cold_Raven]

I'd like to see an in-game parser that shows your values as well as all party and alliance members. But it doesn't show the names of the other players, just their numbers.

That way, you get to see your values, and in comparison with others, without being able to name-and-shame.

It would be cool if it automatically provided a result for each specific boss battle as well as for the entire dungeon or raid.

Such is mah dream.

[Avidria]

@ ry and od

I wasn't done typing lol.

I see you don't get it but w/e. My example is, bizmark ex in learning parties. I set up learning parties and every time the group would try to clear the carapice in 1 shot, if the group didn't they would force wipe then try again and break up the party if it didn't happen. To me thats not learning thats trying to top dps it.

A person can mis-step a mechanic (low or top dps) which causes a sudden shift in the fight, like the person dies then a healer has to raise which, slows the kill rate of the over all group as 2 people are not damaging it, which causes a phase to last a bit longer which can cause a wipe. I seen it happen often in all content even in ff11 endgame. But due to parser, trhe person who mistepped wasn't to blame but the low end dps due to not being able to cover the missing damage of 2 other players.

It's not really an either-or situation though. In fights like bis ex, with both mechanics and dps checks, you need to deal with both.

High dps can make up for missteps, just like too many missteps can make high dps irrelevant or a lack of missteps can make low dps less of a problem.

Mistakes happen, it's understandable. But in some cases, low dps can kill a group just as well as mistakes.

[vp_cmc]

So that person doing 500dps cannot yet be kicked. Would you all think that to be fine?

Depends on a content. Some dungeon? I don't care. If clear depends on it - of course it's not fine.

That's right, those who AFK at the start of a dungeon can do so without fear of a kick

Diadem?