Quote Originally Posted by Februs View Post
ITL;DR: The point is, SE has given us the tools to teach ourselves how to adequately, or even optimally, play the Extreme content of the game. It is not their fault if players refuse to actually use those tools to their advantage.

The real issue is people que-ing in PF without this experience and still expecting to get through it, or even get carried by the rest of the group. In that regard, PF has always been a hostile environment in which you have to weed out the chaff to get clear. It has only gotten worse since HW's release, because new players skipped a ton of content (Bismark EX and Ravana Ex ...),
It's pretty difficult to get parties together to run older content such as coil, also people that were/are good at it don't want to run it because they did it so much in the past - so it is hard to learn. Can't blame anybody for that. Also I agree, PF for bis, etc. is impossible. I started after HW had been out for 2 months already and nobody wanted to run bis ex with me so I could never get a clear as PF was always a disaster then disband. Anyway regarding Thordan, it's pretty fun. I wish I could get a group together for it again to run again as last time we had some people bail and all the groups in PF sound like a bunch of jerks with crazy requirements so I never want to join them.