Expert roulette --> Thordan Extreme = Balanced difficulty curve? Really?

[Silica-chan]

there should be a minigame where I have to dodge divebombs that would actually help
I hate those so much in every fight they come up they kill me I just can't manage to survive them except I'm lucky
Edit thanks firefox for messing with me by not saving my 1st edit <_<

I'm with the people here that jump is a bit to fast. I haven't fought Ravana yet (but I beat T9 pre HW) but I guess a punishing fight before thordan ex as unlock requirement wouldn't hurt

[Dotsusama]

Most of those mechanics, in form or another, exist in the story version of the fight. The problem is that the story version isn't punishing AT ALL to a group that has awareness of their surroundings and can pump out a decent amount of damage.

Much like the difference between Ultima's second trial and the story version, the fights are tuned around the same mechanics just scaled up to punish players more immediately for missteps. I don't think a gate will help your problem with learning parties.

[DuskTS]

More players will attempt Thordan because it's seen as far more accessible content than Savage. The only way players get better is by learning the hard way, through their own intuition, and taking on board the advice of their betters.
Also 'tools... to teach people how to play' aka parser will only be a tool to give you leverage in removing bads from your PF.

[HyperiusUltima]

Honestly, I believe the strong point for improving the community would've been the Steps of Faith a LOOOOONG way back when it was mechanic-based and not just 'burn all the things'.

Then you had the whiners that said it was 'too hard' and so they nerfed the encounter so that people who wanted Heavensward would get through.

[Fwha]

Most people are terrible at the game. Usually when I clear something, I end up having to wait for other people to catch up before I can get another clear because people don't use their skills/can't dodge/don't have any awareness at all/can't learn quick enough. I have up to a3s cleared without a static only because people are bad at the game. It's awful seeing people with i200 or hand out i210 gear doing abysmal dps or failing simple mechanics.

I'm with the people here that jump is a bit to fast. I haven't fought Ravana yet (but I beat T9 pre HW) but I guess a punishing fight before thordan ex as unlock requirement wouldn't hurt

You have more than enough time to dodge them.

[Cheraa]

That is so much true.
I mean, come on, Bismarck is fucking 6 month old and DPS is still not be able to kill the Carapace in it's first phase.

FF XIV Random Community is sooo toxic, I can't belive it.
I played from Oktober 14 to June 15 World of Warcraft in just Random Raid, Normal and Hard Mode and the Community there can at least take 5-10 Wipes on a boss before some one talks about bad party.

In FF XIV, if you have one simple wipe, you have 1-2 ppl. leaving up to a party disband.

[Theodric]

Whenever they do try and add punishing and complex mechanics to 'regular' content the backlash usually results in the challenge being eliminated altogether. I do agree that we need more 'middle tier' content. Unfortunately a lot of the content added during the expansion has been made redundant alarmingly quickly. Not a lot of players are willing to teach fresh blood how to tackle new and old encounters and so that doesn't help much either.

[Sir_Hermes]

You say no mistakes allowed but my static farms this and I say average 2 people die per run lol sometime up to 6 and we still farm.

[Asheloux]

The NA community for FFXIV has no patience for anyone.
It's like the job market...you need to have experience to run the stuff but you can't gain experience unless you have it?
Let people learn.
The more people gear and the more people run stuff, the more they get it.
Not everyone is a hardcore player but that shouldn't exclude them from content they want to run.

[Almalexia]

Thordan EX is a remix of raid and trial content we have already experienced.

The difficulty is tuned precisely where it ought to be. It's just a shame there isn't more like it.