Expert roulette --> Thordan Extreme = Balanced difficulty curve? Really?

[Fevelle]

It's Expert > Alexander NM > Ravana EX > Thordan EX.

But I do agree with you.

[DinahDemiurge]

It's Expert > Alexander NM > Ravana EX > Thordan EX.

But I do agree with you.

No, thats what it SHOULD be at least, but its not. You can unlock thordan ex without doing alex normal or ravana ex which is the problem...

[Morningstar1337]

No, thats what it SHOULD be at least, but its not. You can unlock thordan ex without doing alex normal or ravana ex which is the problem...

also I'd argue that it should be Expert > Alexander Gordeas NM > Bismarck > Ravana > Void Arc > Alexander Gordeas: Floors 1 and 2 (Savage) [though the trial should be unlocked just before then] > THEN Thordan's reign > Alexander Gordeas: Floors 3 and 4 (Savage)

As for how: I would suggest having the quest be longer, starting form the same point as it is now, but having multiple steps like the initial relic requiring....

Mhachi Farthing, Primal Tokens, and a key item form Alex, THEN unlocking the instance

[DinahDemiurge]

also I'd argue that it should be Expert > Alexander Gordeas NM > Bismarck > Ravana > Void Arc > Alexander Gordeas: Floors 1 and 2 (Savage) [though the trial should be unlocked just before then] > THEN Thordan's reign > Alexander Gordeas: Floors 3 and 4 (Savage)

As for how: I would suggest having the quest be longer, starting form the same point as it is now, but having multiple steps like the initial relic requiring....

Mhachi Farthing, Primal Tokens, and a key item form Alex, THEN unlocking the instance

Agreed...I am more stressed out because I hate being a jerk but I like to do content and SE designs the game where players like me have to essentially remove people if we want to succeed and that just...hurts my soul sometimes when I don't blame the player as much as I blame SE for not giving them the basic knowledge to succeed. Even farm groups on this fight are full of people who got carried. IDK if its just my bad luck but farming for 5-6 hours over last two days has yielded one kill and its usually because a dps or healer dies to aoe. They just cant handle it from a fundamental skill level because theyve had no practice in other more chill content. I may be wrong but I am just trying to wrap my head around this huge gap in skill between old players and new players. Old players busted their chops on old amdapor keep (that is a difficulty level we should be shooting for) where that wall was a huge block for people and actually had a sort of enrage (NOT THE BEEES!!) which was great. Taught people to dodge and keep dps up. Nothing like that exists in new expert dungeons which are essentially 20 minute facerolls and its really lame.

[Kaurie]

also I'd argue that it should be Expert > Alexander Gordeas NM > Bismarck > Ravana > Void Arc > Alexander Gordeas: Floors 1 and 2 (Savage) [though the trial should be unlocked just before then] > THEN Thordan's reign > Alexander Gordeas: Floors 3 and 4 (Savage)

I would move Void Ark between Bismarck and Ravana - Unlike in Void Ark, you actually need to know mechanics to succeed in Ravana.

The jump between Ravana and A1S is also a bit too big imo

[Theodric]

Whenever they do try and add punishing and complex mechanics to 'regular' content the backlash usually results in the challenge being eliminated altogether. I do agree that we need more 'middle tier' content. Unfortunately a lot of the content added during the expansion has been made redundant alarmingly quickly. Not a lot of players are willing to teach fresh blood how to tackle new and old encounters and so that doesn't help much either.