Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Kosmos992k]

Except that it isn't as it's been brought up and disproven in literally every single thread that this debate has taken place in.

No, it really hasn't been 'disproven' at all. You might like for it to be 'disproven' as it's convenient for your position to create that impression. You might feel that in your opinion the fear of harassment has somehow been 'disproven' in any or all of those topics, but that's your subjective point of view on the matter, not fact.

The point about fear of harassment is that it's a subjective emotion that some players feel. There is nothing to disprove about that, it's a simple fact that people can feel an emotion such as fear of harassment. It doesn't matter if it's rational in your opinion, or not. It doesn't matter if the incidence of actual harassment is low, the fact is that it does happen. If players fear that, you can downplay it all you like, but you can't 'disprove' it.

Downplaying that fear is nothing more than a tactic in support of your position on the use of parsers.

[Ryel]

No, it really hasn't been 'disproven' at all. You might like for it to be 'disproven' as it's convenient for your position to create that impression. You might feel that in your opinion the fear of harassment has somehow been 'disproven' in any or all of those topics, but that's your subjective point of view on the matter, not fact.

The point about fear of harassment is that it's a subjective emotion that some players feel. There is nothing to disprove about that, it's a simple fact that people can feel an emotion such as fear of harassment. It doesn't matter if it's rational in your opinion, or not. It doesn't matter if the incidence of actual harassment is low, the fact is that it does happen. If players fear that, you can downplay it all you like, but you can't 'disprove' it.

Downplaying that fear is nothing more than a tactic in support of your position on the use of parsers.

No offense but that reasoning is starting to border on what could be called a "Safe space argument" and I don't say that to belittle or insult you.

In my post I specifically said that this is what we know based on large sample sizes or rather the majority of players, in both this and other MMOs.

Will a few players get caught in the crossfire once or twice or have a bad day / experience once and a while? Sure, hence why i said that's what the GM staff is for to take care of those outliers.

So let me rephrase this.

We know for a fact that a larger number of players players will benefit from the addition of a public parsing tool than the number of players who will encounter issues of harassment due to one, we also know that an even larger number of players won't care either way.

You will never be able however to dissuade the fear of every single individual player just like you can't collectively tell every single person to stop being afraid of spiders or boogeymen or w/e on a person to person basis.

let me also state that as a PC player I'm already playing on the platform that has access to a public parsing tool should i wish to acquire one So i have no personal stake or agenda in this, it doesn't make anything "convenient" for me in the slightest as I'm advocating for an equal playing field for a console I don't even own.

If you recall this thread is specifically asking for a parsing/feedback tool or ability for the playerbase that doesn't play on PC, namely the Ps3/Ps4 users.

Is there a legitimate reason that an entire paying portion of the playerbase should have to act like a lower class by asking a PC player to parse their performance for any tangible feedback in order to spare the feelings of a small number of players that out of the rest of the playerbase feel threatened by public parser use?

Personally i can't think of one, and i think it's rather insulting to the console players to say "Sorry you guys cant have it because it would hurt some feelings" or "You guys don't really NEED it to play the game" or "Just get better and learn how to play without one!!!!!'

It just doesn't sit well with me.

You can cite any decent evidence and it will make no difference. Your arguing with people who use logic such as "cars can hurt people so ban cars." Most of us know that from a practical point of view, people who would be jerks with parsers are still jerks without parsers. The rest of the people who use parsers probably don't care about what random joe schmoe is doing in x, y, or z content.

Doesn't mean i shouldn't try.