Astro needs a Nerf in PVP

[TheWaywardWind]

Does nobody remember in slaughter/secure when scholars were practically unkillable? It was the same situation, and you just dealt with it as best you could. When I play AST, you can tell who's team is coordinated or not. They either let me run around like an idiot and heal spam or I get stunned and slammed by everyone's burst at once and die before I have a chance to do anything. It's always taken a few people to kill a prepared healer without Raw Destruction, Ast is no more powerful now than Sch was before, the tables have just been turned for them compared to the new class.

This.

You can keep your whining about AST, because half of the "complaints" and "problems" listed by people in this thread are easily applied to the other two healers as well.

The ONLY thing that I can see people arguing against is Aspected Benefic being instant cast, but that's it. And if you take that away, Scholars need a nerf as well, because having your fairy still being able to heal you while you're being slept/stunned/whatever is just as unfair as AST being able to spam Aspected Benefic.

I cannot believe that Scholars went on for YEARS with being ridiculously OP in PvP and nobody bats an eye, and the second that spot gets usurped everyone starts pouting and stomping their feet.

[Lorielle]

SNIP.

Uhh, no. That's not the same thing at all. Why you even tried to draw that parallel is beyond me. Why? Because Selene/Eos can be slept/killed. Their casts are not instant. And it's only just that anyway, a cure. Aspected Benefic is a instant HEAL AND SHIELD(if in Noc Stance...which all AST are).

I don't know about you, but I never saw SCH as the same power levels as AST when it comes to Shield/Healing unless that magical crit happens. But even, dem cast times! They gonna get ya!

[TheWaywardWind]

I don't know about you, but I never saw SCH as the same power levels as AST when it comes to Shield/Healing unless that magical crit happens. But even, dem cast times! They gonna get ya!

You're making very large logical assumptions, and again you talk about CC, in the sense that everything is fixed with a sleep/kill (which Scholars are more likely to kill first for an extra 3 lustrates and a 20% healing increase because lolscrewyou), when the same thing can just as easily be applied to Astro, and as previously stated, Rouse fixes your "stun problem."

Maybe I'm just used to downing Astro's more effectively, but everyone who consistently bitches about them being OP seriously just doesn't know how to co-ordinate with other people, I guess.

Lol at the notion that scholar possessing 6 insta cast lustrates equates in any way to unlimited insta cast noct cures (even ignoring the fact that you can wipe away aetherflow stacks its still no comparison). Scholars were never said to have been unkillable back in the secure days idk where you are getting that from. Unless you are mistaking the people who used to whine that they couldn't solo schs as dps as it meaning that scholar is unkillable which is just ridiculous.

Nobody said they were unkillable, so I don't know why you're putting words into my mouth instead of reading what I'm saying, but they were OP and far superior and harder to kill than White Mages, and if you're going to contest that, it's painfully obvious you didn't WD/Secure much.

[Dimitrii]

Does nobody remember in slaughter/secure when scholars were practically unkillable? It was the same situation, and you just dealt with it as best you could. When I play AST, you can tell who's team is coordinated or not. They either let me run around like an idiot and heal spam or I get stunned and slammed by everyone's burst at once and die before I have a chance to do anything. It's always taken a few people to kill a prepared healer without Raw Destruction, Ast is no more powerful now than Sch was before, the tables have just been turned for them compared to the new class.

This.

You can keep your whining about AST, because half of the "complaints" and "problems" listed by people in this thread are easily applied to the other two healers as well.

The ONLY thing that I can see people arguing against is Aspected Benefic being instant cast, but that's it. And if you take that away, Scholars need a nerf as well, because having your fairy still being able to heal you while you're being slept/stunned/whatever is just as unfair as AST being able to spam Aspected Benefic.

I cannot believe that Scholars went on for YEARS with being ridiculously OP in PvP and nobody bats an eye, and the second that spot gets usurped everyone starts pouting and stomping their feet.

Nah you should probably just read what you are quoting first before blindly agreeing with it. You are grasping at straws pretty hard with your SCH/AST comparison as well.

[TheWaywardWind]

Nah you should probably just read what you are quoting first before blindly agreeing with it. You are grasping at straws pretty hard with your SCH/AST comparison as well.

I think you need to look up what the word "practically" means and re-read my argument because it's very clear you don't have a single clue as to what either means.

You also completely ignored the second half of my post, so get back to me on that when you read it.

[Dimitrii]

I think you need to look up what the word "practically" means and re-read my argument because it's very clear you don't have a single clue as to what either means.

You can fall back on semantics if you want I guess since its your only option left at this point seeing as the rest of your argument has already been picked apart by other people. You are probably the only person in this forum that took me saying "unkillable" as literally meaning a job that cannot be damaged or have their hp brought down to zero (as if such a thing existed).

Edit: And no the second half of your post was already addressed by Lorielle so why should I regurgitate points that were already made on the very same page?

[TheWaywardWind]

You can fall back on semantics if you want I guess since its your only option left at this point seeing as the rest of your argument has already been picked apart by other people. You are probably the only person in this forum that took me saying "unkillable" as literally meaning a job that cannot be damaged or have their hp brought down to zero (as if such a thing existed).

"B-but muh semantics"



If you aren't going to bother with a reply with one containing substance rather than just trying to use "semantics" as means of trying to justify your argument, I think we're done here.

Good job on that argument dodge though, A+.

[Dimitrii]

If you aren't going to bother with a reply with one containing substance rather than just trying to use "semantics" as means of trying to justify your argument, I think we're done here.

Good job on that argument dodge though, A+.

Uhh, no. That's not the same thing at all. Why you even tried to draw that parallel is beyond me. Why? Because Selene/Eos can be slept/killed. Their casts are not instant. And it's only just that anyway, a cure. Aspected Benefic is a instant HEAL AND SHIELD(if in Noc Stance...which all AST are).

I don't know about you, but I never saw SCH as the same power levels as AST when it comes to Shield/Healing unless that magical crit happens. But even, dem cast times! They gonna get ya!

This post is literally 4 posts above mine. Why do you feel the need to have me repeat it again when Lorielle had already beaten me to it? Your argument is just flawed stop trying to justify it you cant. You are the only person here still trying to save face. Its getting sad now.

[TheWaywardWind]

This post is literally 4 posts above mine. Why do you feel the need to have me repeat it again when Lorielle had already beaten me to it? Your argument is just flawed stop trying to justify it you cant. You are the only person here still trying to save face. Its getting sad now.

Funny how you mention "saving face," yet you desperately reply to each of my comments by using another argument rather than your own because it seems you're incapable of creating one with substance.

"Y-you can't."

Oh, but I did, and your attempts at coat-tailing off of another aren't going to save your case. Rather than attacking the tone of my argument, try again and provide me with one of substance. Until then,