Astro needs a Nerf in PVP

[Rhode]

Brought to you from the Order of the Twin Adder... is Rhode's guide to taking care of two healers (ast, whm, sch, doesn't matter) at the same time.

Assuming the following is true:
- The opposing are only two healers. There are no other enemy units nearby.
- Both opposing healers are invested in maximum vitality through their PvP trait, bonus attribute, and fending accessories.
- Both opposing healers have no resistance to any debuff (as in, they haven't been hit by a Shield Bash in the past 25 seconds).
- You have a full party... jobs don't matter.

Sleep > Healer #1
Shield Bash > Healer #2 (stunned for 3 seconds)
DPS them down
Shield Bash > Healer #2 (if not down yet, stunned for 2 seconds)
DPS them down
Shield Bash > Healer #2 (should be dead by now, stunned 1 second)
DPS them down
Spirits Within > Healer #2 (silenced for two seconds)

And then you repeat the above steps minus sleeping for Healer #1.

TL;DR: Paladin is master race.

[Houston009]

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I'm unsure as to why you are quoting me. Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

Also, grats on attuning 4 melee lbs.

EDIT: Purify is a PvP skill and an AST cannot survive a stun lock + proper burst without Purify or the help of their teammates. So a few of those points are invalid. Another thing, everyone can survive an LB without using PvP skills.
Again I'm not saying they are not strong but some of the situations people are complaining about ast surviving (against mediocre players) whm/sch were doing already. Only difference now is that multiple players between good - mediocre that could down a whm/sch can't down an ast.

[Zeonx]

My cousin was watching me and could not even believe it, they were gaining their life back faster than you could beat it off.
Reminds me of a youtube video of 3 people chasing astro around and dude was surviving.

Now can you imagine a team of them? you wouldn't be able to win they take node just hold people off and regain HP faster than you could kill one, would be no need for DPS or tanks anymore.

title of youtube I think was FFXIV ARR PvP Seize Astrologian OP?

[Guesswhat]

How properly LB healers:

Fetter ward -> Fast burst to about 70-80% HP -> stun lock -> LB -> dead. This should work with anyone, except HP tanks. Just make sure they don't have any heavy defensive CDs like tank LB before you go. It won't work if you spam stun/silence/etc 'cause then they'll just resist everything.

And btw warriors are OP. 14K+ potential damage burst within seconds is ridiculous. And healers are hard wired to heal tanks, so there is that too.

Ast are OP the same way summoners are. People don't know how to handle them. Reverse noob trap if you will.

[xxczx]

How properly LB healers:

Fetter ward -> Fast burst to about 70-80% HP -> stun lock -> LB -> dead. This should work with anyone

It's very easy to count that as AST lol.

And btw warriors are OP. 14K+ potential damage burst within seconds is ridiculous.

Yeah, most people seem to care more only about ASTs and SMNs, WARs can two shot healers timing a Full Swing and Stun right.

[Redfame]

To the point, the 1 and only problem is, that aspected benefic is an instant cast.

[Guesswhat]

It's very easy to count that as AST lol.

Nothing is foolproof.

[Sunako]

To the point, the 1 and only problem is, that aspected benefic is an instant cast.

Nobody would use astro in pvp if it would not be instant.

[xxczx]

Nobody would use astro in pvp if it would not be instant.

I think if they added a 0.95s cast to it (just for PvP), it'll bring them on par with WHM/SCH. Though this is purely guess work hah.

[GrumbleBeard]

Does nobody remember in slaughter/secure when scholars were practically unkillable? It was the same situation, and you just dealt with it as best you could. When I play AST, you can tell who's team is coordinated or not. They either let me run around like an idiot and heal spam or I get stunned and slammed by everyone's burst at once and die before I have a chance to do anything. It's always taken a few people to kill a prepared healer without Raw Destruction, Ast is no more powerful now than Sch was before, the tables have just been turned for them compared to the new class.