Diadem Leeches

[MStowastiqVahlshdeh]

I saw gathering and fishing as part of the mission objectives so at one point people do have the right to gather and can contribute to the mission by doing so.

I think its just a matter of role establishment because without teamwork its just chaos and wasting a lot of time when people don't realize until after they die, that they need to stick together to accomplish XYZ. Especially at the beginning, leaving people behind who have to get their aether currents and are getting killed by mobs who need others to help kill. Its just faster when everyone helps to begin with but that does take cooperation.

ah edit, I saw this post and this is what I mean! Thank you for saying what I couldn't say! <3 /Liked

This content is simple.

TEAMWORK

Without that, nobody is gonna get anything more then frustration. You wanna go off and do your own thing, fine. Nobody can stop you; but don't expect to get very far without the group. You ninja'd your way to all the wind currents by your self? Good for you. That doesn't help the team get their currents. You found a buried coffer on the other side of the map? Good for you, it's only gonna be a bronze chest; meanwhile we're over here fighting a Rank 5 monster. Oh you found a Rank 5 monster of your own? Good for you, the team is still on this half of the map, good luck getting credit by yourself.

But seriously, most people are just really new to this and are more "ooh and awe" at the moment. I think if you give the new content hype some time to die down first, people will begin to figure out that they need their team to get further; and those who don't are just bad apples and probably realize that they're and just simply don't "give a fuck", which in that case, you can't do anything about them except leave them be.

[LeeraSorlan]

Just make it so if you were on a gathering class when loot dropped, you cant roll on it even if you go DoW.

/fixed. People who want no 1 to gather are selfish tho, but loot distribution needs to be altered

[Tyrial]

Great blackball them from any future party finders you make. You have full control over who you allow into your party finder and with that you learned that those two players are not team players. I'm not being a "Smart ass" I'm telling you that you have the tools at your disposal to prevent future abuse by such players.

Thank you again for your sagely wisdom. Please tell me more that I don't already know.

This stuff works well after the fact, but what happens while we're in there? We shouldn't be subjected to that kind of stuff while we're in there. People should have some decency and not screw over the group for their own gain. If they can't do that we should have some recourse outside of going full on loot dictator and deciding who gets what.

The system is brand new and we're already seeing flaws that prove they don't learn from past content. If we're allowed to have gatherers in there then they should offer some incentive for us to bring them along, something other than the mats that they're able to gather. If their gathering were to give the rest of the people in the party various buffs (higher max hp/mp, increased attack/healing power, skill/spell speed, etc) then it would be different, but as it stands now it's BS and needs to be implemented better.

[Jynx]

The system is brand new and we're already seeing flaws that prove they don't learn from past content.

This is squarely on SE for putting this content in the Duty Finder, party finder has lootmaster rules to prevent Ninja lots.

It's totally fair to be "Loot Dictator" if your going in with a premade you obviously know eachother well enough to know who gets what, and for the people who join up they are well aware that the loot rules have been set as such and your expectations for people to qualify for loot rights.

The gathering portion was never meant to be a solo endeavor but of course taking random people with you without taking precautions beforehand can lead to this. A Votekick is extreme, loot sharing for the gatherables is one way to prevent people just profiting from doing there own thing but I can't imagine SE can be bothered to code the loot pool to hold that many items.

[Tyrial]

It's totally fair to be "Loot Dictator" if your going in with a premade you obviously know eachother well enough to know who gets what, and for the people who join up they are well aware that the loot rules have been set as such and your expectations for people to qualify for loot rights.

The gathering portion was never meant to be a solo endeavor but of course taking random people with you without taking precautions beforehand can lead to this. A Votekick is extreme, loot sharing for the gatherables is one way to prevent people just profiting from doing there own thing but I can't imagine SE can be bothered to code the loot pool to hold that many items.

How is it extreme? We can vote kick somebody for not pulling their weight in any other content, why should this be different?

We go in with normal loot rules because the usual people we run with aren't morons and we trust them to only need on the stuff they actually need. Using loot master only slows things down.

"Hold on guys, we can't go kill that next mob because we have to clear out the loot pool. Quick random for X piece so we know who to give it to.".

Yeah...screw that, anybody doing that for each and every piece isn't making the most of their time in there.

[Tint]

How is it extreme? We can vote kick somebody for not pulling their weight in any other content, why should this be different?

We go in with normal loot rules because the usual people we run with aren't morons and we trust them to only need on the stuff they actually need. Using loot master only slows things down.

"Hold on guys, we can't go kill that next mob because we have to clear out the loot pool. Quick random for X piece so we know who to give it to.".

Yeah...screw that, anybody doing that for each and every piece isn't making the most of their time in there.

but the people ARE morons and it's your fault to trust them. it doesn't take that much time to let the people roll greed in every i150 and i180, you only have to manage the i210. if there are more than one person who whants it let them roll with the /random command.

[wicked-one]

Went in with a premade.

They made a loot distribution rule to make everyone get the same amount.

I was the only one to pass on 7-10 pieces where others just disobeyed and needed and greeded on everything.

After the lootrule ultimatively failed, i started to need/greed as well, getting called out after i got 2 items that "you cant do this with people like azul"

then we came to our first NM. Both healers everything but healing, so after 2-3 wipes i got to SCH and we downed it.

A BLM Robe (BLM is my Raid/Main), i210 with Crit, Det AND Spellspeed dropped, und due to going for Healer, i couldn´t need it.

Hell was i pissed.

Don´t go with a premade... .just go with people you know and trust.... period.

[Pence]

As a workaround, and if you're going in with a full party... Set loot rule to "Lootmaster", and have those involved in combat (and eligible to that type of drop based on upgrade/greed rule you set) do /random. Designate loot to the winner of said random. No one out of range to show their random will be able to get it that way.
(It's an annoying method, I know, but... it's a possible workaround.)

If you're getting time to roll, you're probably doing something wrong and being inefficient. It's not a good workaround.

[Jim_Berry]

Currently, I'm going to shy away from Diadem. Many groups on my server want to do GREED ONLY for items.

I'm NIN main, with having PLD as my second Lv60 job. To see an iLv210 Scouting piece fall to someone who's NIN isn't Lv60 grinds my gears. Until they understand that getting gear for their Lv ~59 alts will cause people to not join or leave, I hope they change this mentality.

[SuperZay]

I would consider it leeching on the simple fact they refused to help when asked, and still rolled on loot, despite not being willing to help earn said loot.

Gatherers get a chance for a chest to spawn on them every time they swing, and last time I checked, the whole party rolls on their loot.