Diadem Leeches

[Tyrial]

Simple solution: don't DF it with randoms. That is all.

This isn't a solution at all. Some FC mates went in with two premade parties last night and had to fill a few spots with randoms because we didn't have enough that wanted to go. A couple of the PUGs we brought (got them from PF) helped until we could fly then they spent the entire time gathering. It was made clear before we entered that it was fine to gather if we were clearing near nodes, but if there were mobs to fight they needed to be fighting. They instead spent the entire time flying around looking for buried coffers and gathering from nodes. Still rolled on (and won some) gear that dropped, including 210 stuff.

Guess what we could do about it while we were in there? That's right, absolutely nothing.

[Jynx]

This isn't a solution at all.

Actually it is. Take your FC mates, make a party finder, find people you can actually hold accountable for not doing things the way you layed out in the party finder.

Profit.

[Tyrial]

Great blackball them from any future party finders you make. You have full control over who you allow into your party finder and with that you learned that those two players are not team players. I'm not being a "Smart ass" I'm telling you that you have the tools at your disposal to prevent future abuse by such players.

Thank you again for your sagely wisdom. Please tell me more that I don't already know.

This stuff works well after the fact, but what happens while we're in there? We shouldn't be subjected to that kind of stuff while we're in there. People should have some decency and not screw over the group for their own gain. If they can't do that we should have some recourse outside of going full on loot dictator and deciding who gets what.

The system is brand new and we're already seeing flaws that prove they don't learn from past content. If we're allowed to have gatherers in there then they should offer some incentive for us to bring them along, something other than the mats that they're able to gather. If their gathering were to give the rest of the people in the party various buffs (higher max hp/mp, increased attack/healing power, skill/spell speed, etc) then it would be different, but as it stands now it's BS and needs to be implemented better.

[Jynx]

The system is brand new and we're already seeing flaws that prove they don't learn from past content.

This is squarely on SE for putting this content in the Duty Finder, party finder has lootmaster rules to prevent Ninja lots.

It's totally fair to be "Loot Dictator" if your going in with a premade you obviously know eachother well enough to know who gets what, and for the people who join up they are well aware that the loot rules have been set as such and your expectations for people to qualify for loot rights.

The gathering portion was never meant to be a solo endeavor but of course taking random people with you without taking precautions beforehand can lead to this. A Votekick is extreme, loot sharing for the gatherables is one way to prevent people just profiting from doing there own thing but I can't imagine SE can be bothered to code the loot pool to hold that many items.

[Tyrial]

It's totally fair to be "Loot Dictator" if your going in with a premade you obviously know eachother well enough to know who gets what, and for the people who join up they are well aware that the loot rules have been set as such and your expectations for people to qualify for loot rights.

The gathering portion was never meant to be a solo endeavor but of course taking random people with you without taking precautions beforehand can lead to this. A Votekick is extreme, loot sharing for the gatherables is one way to prevent people just profiting from doing there own thing but I can't imagine SE can be bothered to code the loot pool to hold that many items.

How is it extreme? We can vote kick somebody for not pulling their weight in any other content, why should this be different?

We go in with normal loot rules because the usual people we run with aren't morons and we trust them to only need on the stuff they actually need. Using loot master only slows things down.

"Hold on guys, we can't go kill that next mob because we have to clear out the loot pool. Quick random for X piece so we know who to give it to.".

Yeah...screw that, anybody doing that for each and every piece isn't making the most of their time in there.

[Tint]

How is it extreme? We can vote kick somebody for not pulling their weight in any other content, why should this be different?

We go in with normal loot rules because the usual people we run with aren't morons and we trust them to only need on the stuff they actually need. Using loot master only slows things down.

"Hold on guys, we can't go kill that next mob because we have to clear out the loot pool. Quick random for X piece so we know who to give it to.".

Yeah...screw that, anybody doing that for each and every piece isn't making the most of their time in there.

but the people ARE morons and it's your fault to trust them. it doesn't take that much time to let the people roll greed in every i150 and i180, you only have to manage the i210. if there are more than one person who whants it let them roll with the /random command.

[Tyrial]

but the people ARE morons and it's your fault to trust them.

I think you're missing the point. There's no reason for people to not be able to follow the rules and be a decent person. Hand holding shouldn't be a requirement for group content and doing so (distributing loot in such a manner) is far less efficient than if everyone could just follow the pre-established rules. This is why we should have the vote kick option available in there. Who cares if they're going to get locked out...they should have thought about that before they decided to act like idiots.

[Pence]

As a workaround, and if you're going in with a full party... Set loot rule to "Lootmaster", and have those involved in combat (and eligible to that type of drop based on upgrade/greed rule you set) do /random. Designate loot to the winner of said random. No one out of range to show their random will be able to get it that way.
(It's an annoying method, I know, but... it's a possible workaround.)

If you're getting time to roll, you're probably doing something wrong and being inefficient. It's not a good workaround.