Diadem Leeches

[Seiryuukishi]

Simple solution: don't DF it with randoms. That is all.

[Fevelle]

Simple solution: don't DF it with randoms. That is all.

The real solution is: don't be a leech.

Every party knows that some people want to gather, but if there's more than 3 gatherers, please do a rotation beetween youserlves (while some gather, some fight). You have freaking 90 minutes. If gathering for 45 minutes while people fight and then you go fight for the other 45 minutes isn't enough, geez, something is wrong. Talk with your team. This is the only piece of content where we gotta talk about what we are going to do and decide the best way to and people are already ruining it.

[Eight]

The thing is though treasure chests gathers dig up, the contents aren't rolled on but go to a random player in the party so are they leeching as well? I've been gathering tonight and I've dug up many chests and all the loot inside have gone to other players so I mean it goes both ways. I haven't been rolling on the items the people fighting have been getting so why should they get the treasure I worked for and dug up?

Well Idk, last night my raid had 2 pugs with us in Diadem, the 2 of them were at random places doing random things and loot randomly popped up like every couple minutes while us (the raid) were looking for mobs or flying around chasing ranks. Not sure what they were doing, or how and why we got free loot, but if it was them, then I thank them.
Sure what you say is a problem, but after all, you get the freedom here.

If they were gathering you were getting free loot they dug up.

[Whiteroom]

The thing is though treasure chests gathers dig up, the contents aren't rolled on but go to a random player in the party so are they leeching as well? I've been gathering tonight and I've dug up many chests and all the loot inside have gone to other players so I mean it goes both ways. I haven't been rolling on the items the people fighting have been getting so why should they get the treasure I worked for and dug up?


If they were gathering you were getting free loot they dug up.

The gatherer trolling my group dug up 2 chests. Yay, a few clusters. Compared to all the 150,180, and 210 loot they rolled on. And all the chests we missed out on due to lost credit. Yay... clusters!!! umm... totally worth the trade on the four Stars we missed loot on... and all the rest after two others got sick of it and abandoned...

[Eight]

The gatherer trolling my group dug up 2 chests. Yay, a few clusters. Compared to all the 150,180, and 210 loot they rolled on. And all the chests we missed out on due to lost credit. Yay... clusters!!! ...

Doesn't matter in my opinion the fact is your still getting stuff you didn't work for and gathering can be tough considering none of the stealth stuff works so it goes both ways. The DF version of the Diadem is broken and there needs to be some big changes. Like I said earlier in the thread they need to get rid of the 4 aetherial winds and just let people fly from the start that way people who want to gather should be allowed to go in solo so these issue don't happen.

Of course the whole housing situation is beyond messed so if the FC isn't running it then you have to DF it and then this crap show happens. They really should have though out this better. They should have made different tiers, easy voyages should be level 50 entry requirements and should give the ability to go in and actually level to break up the tedious dungeon runs and even let you go in with solo and use your chocobos. Gatherers should be allowed to go in and do what they want and the easy tier really should be an open free for all for those who aren't interested in groups. Since the difficulty doesn't matter for the gatherers they should keep the normal and hard voyages for those who want to go find loot or even implement a free for all tier.

They really should have known better that the community will not work together at this point (the hunt situation) and anyone who wants to do something different gets chewed out.The drama alone already when you go in is pure garbage. You may not want those clusters but I do and honestly I don't raid so I couldn't care less about 210 gear it means nothing to me but putting a value on something will be an issue most won't get over.

I personally don't roll on the gear that drops as I'm not there for that but that also means I shouldn't have to give up the treasure I find without even a roll on that. The Diadem is cool I like it but it's broken and needs some serious adjustments.

[Tyrial]

Simple solution: don't DF it with randoms. That is all.

This isn't a solution at all. Some FC mates went in with two premade parties last night and had to fill a few spots with randoms because we didn't have enough that wanted to go. A couple of the PUGs we brought (got them from PF) helped until we could fly then they spent the entire time gathering. It was made clear before we entered that it was fine to gather if we were clearing near nodes, but if there were mobs to fight they needed to be fighting. They instead spent the entire time flying around looking for buried coffers and gathering from nodes. Still rolled on (and won some) gear that dropped, including 210 stuff.

Guess what we could do about it while we were in there? That's right, absolutely nothing.

[Jynx]

This isn't a solution at all.

Actually it is. Take your FC mates, make a party finder, find people you can actually hold accountable for not doing things the way you layed out in the party finder.

Profit.

[Tyrial]

Great blackball them from any future party finders you make. You have full control over who you allow into your party finder and with that you learned that those two players are not team players. I'm not being a "Smart ass" I'm telling you that you have the tools at your disposal to prevent future abuse by such players.

Thank you again for your sagely wisdom. Please tell me more that I don't already know.

This stuff works well after the fact, but what happens while we're in there? We shouldn't be subjected to that kind of stuff while we're in there. People should have some decency and not screw over the group for their own gain. If they can't do that we should have some recourse outside of going full on loot dictator and deciding who gets what.

The system is brand new and we're already seeing flaws that prove they don't learn from past content. If we're allowed to have gatherers in there then they should offer some incentive for us to bring them along, something other than the mats that they're able to gather. If their gathering were to give the rest of the people in the party various buffs (higher max hp/mp, increased attack/healing power, skill/spell speed, etc) then it would be different, but as it stands now it's BS and needs to be implemented better.

[Jynx]

The system is brand new and we're already seeing flaws that prove they don't learn from past content.

This is squarely on SE for putting this content in the Duty Finder, party finder has lootmaster rules to prevent Ninja lots.

It's totally fair to be "Loot Dictator" if your going in with a premade you obviously know eachother well enough to know who gets what, and for the people who join up they are well aware that the loot rules have been set as such and your expectations for people to qualify for loot rights.

The gathering portion was never meant to be a solo endeavor but of course taking random people with you without taking precautions beforehand can lead to this. A Votekick is extreme, loot sharing for the gatherables is one way to prevent people just profiting from doing there own thing but I can't imagine SE can be bothered to code the loot pool to hold that many items.

[Tyrial]

It's totally fair to be "Loot Dictator" if your going in with a premade you obviously know eachother well enough to know who gets what, and for the people who join up they are well aware that the loot rules have been set as such and your expectations for people to qualify for loot rights.

The gathering portion was never meant to be a solo endeavor but of course taking random people with you without taking precautions beforehand can lead to this. A Votekick is extreme, loot sharing for the gatherables is one way to prevent people just profiting from doing there own thing but I can't imagine SE can be bothered to code the loot pool to hold that many items.

How is it extreme? We can vote kick somebody for not pulling their weight in any other content, why should this be different?

We go in with normal loot rules because the usual people we run with aren't morons and we trust them to only need on the stuff they actually need. Using loot master only slows things down.

"Hold on guys, we can't go kill that next mob because we have to clear out the loot pool. Quick random for X piece so we know who to give it to.".

Yeah...screw that, anybody doing that for each and every piece isn't making the most of their time in there.