I don't want to tank dungeons anymore...

[Atoli]

I didn't feel the need to quote that part, because one, you agreed ninja pulling was bad, and two, you were casting yourself as the majority when nobody communicated. Hate to break it to you, but both the troll behavior and rude demand-making you describe are forms of communication. So you still can't prove yourself to be in the majority without it.

I agreed ninja pulling was bad and that communication makes everything better from the very start of this thread. We don't need to go on and on about that for 30 pages, that much is pretty self-explanatory.
If you consider dps running off and grabbing more mobs a form of communication then all is well though, isn't it? Because in that case, the OP and his party were communicating rather well...

No, seriously, if the dps increase the size of the pull against the tank's will and I know I agree with them, then I know 3 people want an increase in pull-size without one single word spoken. I'm not saying this is the case in 100% of all runs. Of course, I don't demand anything when it is not clear what the majority wants or when I'm part of the minority (already said that before though). But when it is clear, it's selfish of the tank to enforce his speed and pull-size on a party that made it obvious they want a faster run/bigger pull.

[Azazua_azura]

This is not about someone who can't handle it. It's about someone who can handle it but chooses not to, because he'd rather take his sweet time.

Thats pretty rude thing to say actually. My question is, why do you care? Its a game.

I honestly hate speed runs actually, it messes with my anxiety more so if I'm heavily geared lower then my team, or they decided to play chicken and attack right after the tank pulls. I been on both the NA data center I NEVER had a fun group as a tank. I do my best, but it is never good enough. I have enough Issues offline to want to deal with cyber bully over pixels.

It best to stop turning The NA DF system into something exclusionary if you don't want to deal with tanks who are not into your style of playing make friends with tanks who are and play with them.


And if you don't mind me saying your attitude in this thread from the, posts of yours I have rea,d has been pretty bad.

And just fyi, communication and actions are not the same thing, if people are running off to pull more mobs that is an insuilt to the tank. It steping on the tanks toes and doing their job for them. I actually HATE when people do that, but i have reason why I leave groups who do that is due to my ADD and aspergers.

I get stressed out if I'm feeling or being rushed, This causes me to get anxiety. And with my aspergers (i already have high anxiety with it) I have trouble with communicating not to do that. And if i get too stressed out I get sick because i have super ventricular technicardia (heart abnormality).

Why should I be treated less because of that? I loved ff11, and I very much enjoy ff14. I just really dislike how the NA community treats others in DF.

Which is the reason why I jumped to tonberry, and I don't reget it. My experiences in DF have improved 10 fold. I have ran into trolls/rude players but not as often, and deffinately not had bad as the NA players I met in DF.

[SlackiePie]

Strange. I never saw "Puller" role - just Tank, Healer, DPS.



That's funny. I feel like you don't know what elite means, only I'm using a dictionary to define it.

Well you win! Everyone is a puller now, no rules, no regulations, and certainly no common sense!

[Shai]

Well you win! Everyone is a puller now, no rules, no regulations, and certainly no common sense!

And the problem is what?
I play tank, dps and heals in dungeons.
From all three perspectives, I don't care who pulls.

[Archaell]

Well you win! Everyone is a puller now, no rules, no regulations, and certainly no common sense!

We could also remove the penalty for leaving. Let everybody decide how they want to play and when they want to leave. Then we will see how the ninja pulling goes.
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If you think that everybody has the same right to decide pace of the run... No. You are wrong. Tank is one to decide as it is tank's job to prevent the mobs from hitting your dps face. If you ninja pull, you are not helping, you are just taunting the tank to get angry. Of course if tank pulls too much then it is the tank who is responsible for wipes. It might seem that it is not fair - but it is. Tank gets more control over the run for the price of having more responsibility for their decisions.

[MihaelB]

We could also remove the penalty for leaving. Let everybody decide how they want to play and when they want to leave. Then we will see how the ninja pulling goes.
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If you think that everybody has the same right to decide pace of the run... No. You are wrong. Tank is one to decide as it is tank's job to prevent the mobs from hitting your dps face. If you ninja pull, you are not helping, you are just taunting the tank to get angry. Of course if tank pulls too much then it is the tank who is responsible for wipes. It might seem that it is not fair - but it is. Tank gets more control over the run for the price of having more responsibility for their decisions.

Or the healer can stop healing/ get kicked/ hold the dungeon hostage because the tank's survival essentially relies on the healer's whim.

[kilawpilath]

For me, I always try to play each role, to know what they can and can't do. Or at least get a general Idea of what to expect. It also helps me know what I like and don't like in the game.
So far, from the original post, maybe the issue is that you like to tank, but maybe need to find a more static group, or just some friends or FC mates to hang out with and tank for them.
If no one is on with your FC when you are usually on, find an FC that is on. Which can be scary.
If you have to PuG, maybe as your going ask questions, get to know the people your pugging with, try to find out what they are expecting and adapt to that.
If all else fails, try a different role. That's the wonderful thing about this game. You don't have to make a new character to do that.. you just go to the class guild, and start with them.

[kilawpilath]

When it comes to how I like to play, as a Main Ranged DPS, I prefer to let the tank go in first. I've learned, unless its a lowbie dungeon that can be facerolloled, I try to watch who the tank is focusing on, by targeting him/her and trying to DPS that target if I can. Because I know how stressful it can be for the tank, since I've played as one.
If I see the healer getting pressure, as DPS I might try to pluck at the enemy if I can to try and maybe help generate enough threat to pull it off if I can.
And since I'm a SMN mostly, in worst cases, I might even bring out my Titan. Sometimes its nice to have a pet that can also soft/off tank
Its why I like SMN so much. Its the Jack of all trades focusing on DPS.

[Archaell]

Or the healer can stop healing/ get kicked/ hold the dungeon hostage because the tank's survival essentially relies on the healer's whim.

Assessing your healer is part of the tank's responsibility tho.

If the healer can't handle it or refuses to handle it then tank has to decide how to fix the problem.

The pace of the run has to be set by combined power of tank and healer, yes, but the tank is the one making choices. Healers can ninja pull too of course, but with the (healer) queues getting longer, it might not be good idea to annoy the tank.

[Shai]

This thread has only reaffirmed what every thread about tanking and every tank in every DF dungeon reaffirms everyday.

Tanks are selfish divas who think the dungeon runs around them and everyone should cater to them or they'll just drop and requeue faster than an average DPS would without a penalty.

So many dungeons (Expert Roulette) that the tank has just wandered AFK for ten minutes - cause hey he didn't wait 15-45 minutes to join the queue, so it's not like he couldn't have gotten a drink or taken a crap beforehand with all that extra time - and I just tell the DPS to pull. I can clear everything up to the boss of ANY dungeon without a tank. Hell, when queue as a full party, we often don't even bring a tank, and I'm not talking about Copperbell, but Neverreap (sure this doesn't work for all of them).