I don't want to tank dungeons anymore...

[SlackiePie]

Strange. I never saw "Puller" role - just Tank, Healer, DPS.



That's funny. I feel like you don't know what elite means, only I'm using a dictionary to define it.

Well you win! Everyone is a puller now, no rules, no regulations, and certainly no common sense!

[Shai]

Well you win! Everyone is a puller now, no rules, no regulations, and certainly no common sense!

And the problem is what?
I play tank, dps and heals in dungeons.
From all three perspectives, I don't care who pulls.

[Archaell]

Well you win! Everyone is a puller now, no rules, no regulations, and certainly no common sense!

We could also remove the penalty for leaving. Let everybody decide how they want to play and when they want to leave. Then we will see how the ninja pulling goes.
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If you think that everybody has the same right to decide pace of the run... No. You are wrong. Tank is one to decide as it is tank's job to prevent the mobs from hitting your dps face. If you ninja pull, you are not helping, you are just taunting the tank to get angry. Of course if tank pulls too much then it is the tank who is responsible for wipes. It might seem that it is not fair - but it is. Tank gets more control over the run for the price of having more responsibility for their decisions.

[MihaelB]

We could also remove the penalty for leaving. Let everybody decide how they want to play and when they want to leave. Then we will see how the ninja pulling goes.
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If you think that everybody has the same right to decide pace of the run... No. You are wrong. Tank is one to decide as it is tank's job to prevent the mobs from hitting your dps face. If you ninja pull, you are not helping, you are just taunting the tank to get angry. Of course if tank pulls too much then it is the tank who is responsible for wipes. It might seem that it is not fair - but it is. Tank gets more control over the run for the price of having more responsibility for their decisions.

Or the healer can stop healing/ get kicked/ hold the dungeon hostage because the tank's survival essentially relies on the healer's whim.

[Archaell]

Or the healer can stop healing/ get kicked/ hold the dungeon hostage because the tank's survival essentially relies on the healer's whim.

Assessing your healer is part of the tank's responsibility tho.

If the healer can't handle it or refuses to handle it then tank has to decide how to fix the problem.

The pace of the run has to be set by combined power of tank and healer, yes, but the tank is the one making choices. Healers can ninja pull too of course, but with the (healer) queues getting longer, it might not be good idea to annoy the tank.

[Eothas]

but with the (healer) queues getting longer, it might not be good idea to annoy the tank.

I play both (healz and tank), queues are about the same, the Primadonna Diva tank card will never work against me.

It's not a good idea to annoy ANYONE. Also, I can finish ex roulette without a tank if really necessary.

[Archaell]

I play both (healz and tank), queues are about the same, the Primadonna Diva tank card will never work against me.

It's not a good idea to annoy ANYONE. Also, I can finish ex roulette without a tank if really necessary.

That's good point. The card does not work if you are willing to discard it even at price of getting kicked.

I do my stuff mostly on WHM and it seems that healer ranks are increasing - at least on Chaos.