JP server player is calling us out. Step up, NA endgamers.

[Azazua_azura]

Don't forget the third variable - Netflix.

I would partialy agree that dps checks are gear checks as no matter your skill at some point the gear is not good enough even when one plays perfectly.

ya but that has been part of games since old rpg. Good example being zelda 1 where you had to get better weapons from shops to complete certain content. Or shooter games like duke nukem, doom, wolfenstien, where you needed better guns to kill certain enemies. Its pretty much gaming 101 to update gear.

games have always been gear+ skill = win. -shrug-

[Nestama]

a dps check/enrage timer is a mechanice it is there so players don't milk fights causing instence server to get full.

That sentence doesn't make sense. If an enrage timer was designed to keep players from hogging the instance, then it should boot players out of the instance every time they wipe to it. Since it doesn't (thankfully), players can choose to sit in the instance for the entire 90 minutes.

[Azazua_azura]

That sentence doesn't make sense. If an enrage timer was designed to keep players from hogging the instance, then it should boot players out of the instance every time they wipe to it. Since it doesn't (thankfully), players can choose to sit in the instance for the entire 90 minutes.

I'm not talking here, more specifing WoW which there was no dungeon timer. And open world content on mobs.
The roots of enrage timers, which are the root of the phrase dps check.

[shanian]

gear will only take you so far, you can have some1 with an ilv180 outdoing a i200 person, simply because they put time and effort into learning the job. and lets be honest, every1 will have seen at one time or another, a "highly" geared person suck really bad at their job.
enrage timers are not there to -only- make you strive to get better gear (you're not supposed to be thinking, i need a whole team of ppl in i200 to beat this), it exists to make the team strive for a better sinc of play style, to learn better the job you're playing.
the end point beeing that the problem isnt about the community beeing EU, or NA, even JP. its the bulk of the players. we need experienced players to be willing to teach, and non experienced players to be willing to learn. people need to be willing to adapt to the others, be it through PF or DF, doesnt matter. give people a chance. its a snowball effect. a player that gets taught by someone else, will be more willing to teach others.

[vp_cmc]

every1 will have seen at one time or another, a "highly" geared person suck really bad at their job.

Actually it depends. If you're talking about ESO gear, then yeah, sure, I agree. But I haven't seen a single person in as3 or as4 gear who was bad at their job.
So, if we were getting better gear from doing harder fights, gear could mean something about the skill.
For example, what about: ESO being 190 as a baseline, 200 from alex normal (but it's difficulty should be about same as coil was), 210 from savage. Then looking at player's gear you could say something about his skill.

But hunts are about to come, oh well.

you can say "oh it was just a dungeon, not a raid"

No, I can ask how he got his 210 gear being so bad?

My smn has 210 wep, 210 chest and a few items more milked from loots :3. And i am far from being a good players as smn.

Hmm.. Maybe SE should eliminate gear sharing across jobs and let people to take loot only for their current job?

[shanian]

you would think that someone that has i210 pieces would know their job. but that is not true.
just this past week, i got into a dungeon with a drg, that had 4 or 5 pieces of i210 gear, they were so bad, that it actually made me cry. we got through the dungeon, but for a person that well geared, one would have expected a lot better from them. DRG beeing my main, i know what my current ilv is, i know what i'm pushing out on it, that enables me to know/gauge/guess what they should be hitting dps wise. my ilv 188 blm should not have been able to keep up with them.
you can say "oh it was just a dungeon, not a raid", but someone that cares, will do their best no matter the situation.

[rappa]

you would think that someone that has i210 pieces would know their job. but that is not true.
just this past week, i got into a dungeon with a drg, that had 4 or 5 pieces of i210 gear, they were so bad, that it actually made me cry. we got through the dungeon, but for a person that well geared, one would have expected a lot better from them. DRG beeing my main, i know what my current ilv is, i know what i'm pushing out on it, that enables me to know/gauge/guess what they should be hitting dps wise. my ilv 188 blm should not have been able to keep up with them.
you can say "oh it was just a dungeon, not a raid", but someone that cares, will do their best no matter the situation.

My smn has 210 wep, 210 chest and a few items more milked from loots :3. And i am far from being a good players as smn.

[shanian]

No, I can ask how he got his 210 gear being so bad?

i have no idea, dont now the player personally. it could have been left over gears from nobody wanting them while on static, it could have been actually the person main. that's not the point. personally i dont care.
the only thing i'm saying is that one cannot and should not judge another player simply by the gear they sport, but actually wait to see how they play, thats where the gear and their personal skill combines and the end result is shown. players should give a new person or someone that has not the recomended gear the same chance they do to a well geared person, before they kick them from a party. if the person does a mistake through a fight, then other players should be willing to teach them how to do better, advice on it, not cut them out straight away, as it happens nowdays.
if such starts happening, i'm sure the community will start thriving, and the overal player quality will become better, along with players actually "wanting" to try new things. instead of "i dont wanna go try savage, because people that can teach others are intolerant to any mistake and are rude" (for example)

[AeraLure]

I think we're straying off topic a bit. I'm currently leveling a drg, having been a whm since I started. Once my drg hits 60 I'll immediately be able to bump the iLvl up to around 188 from things I have saved. I'm still learning the job. I assure you I am and will be continuing to learn and practice rotations, as well as play style (just playing melee dps as opposed to healing in and of itself is different). I have friends to advise as well as other resources. I get, of course, that there are players who really don't bother to learn and improve. I just want to point out that it's really easy to be relatively highly geared and still be relatively new to a job or role, as well as to the game. If they aren't maximizing their dps yet, they could simply be learning, and that goes back to what the caller from Singapore was saying.

[LunarLunatic]

I am going to agree with what the gentlemen said. There are a lot of casual players that want to alexander savage but they can`t because people are assholes and only want experience players. That is why the NA servers are bunch of no good judgemental bums. I think everyone should have a chance to do savage and learn it so they can complete it.