To all the flames on primal datacenter...

[Februs]

I think the only real "fix" to this problem would be to come out with a 2-way game mode. I've found that a lot of this cross GC hate is just grudge cycling caused by 3-way fights. The game mode encourages it. Adders just gets the most of it because of their play style.

In a lot of the matches I've played, I've seen 2 GC's getting into an awesome fight, but just as one is about to start pushing to victory, the 3rd GC shows up and ruins everything. Mael will be fighting it out with Flames, it's getting heated, bodies are hitting the floor, one of the two of us is starting to buckle....and then.... Adders show up and get in the way somehow. Best comparison I can think of is being blue balled because your roommate walked in on you and your girlfriend. NOT COOL. Did you not see the sock on the door??

Adders probably generate the most resentment in this 3 way scenario because they tend to attack the 2nd place GC. Nothing creates hard feelings like kicking the team that's already down, but it's become expected of them because they do it so often. I had a match just last night in which Mael was leading, but without a single command, the entire Flames group moved on Adders because they were closer. When one person asked why we didn't attack Mael, around 10 people instantly responded with some variety of: "because Adders would have backcapped/attacked/sandwiched/pincered us." Normally I would not have sided with them, but Adders had already done it 3 times in that match alone. I got the impression that most of the team was frustrated because they wanted to attack Mael, but knew that they couldn't because of Adders.

It's not really anyone's fault. It's just the game mode. It seems to me that SE should just do away with the 3 way fights and create a 2 way game. That way, there's no hard feelings over getting rear-ended. People can be bitter because they lost, not because they got gang banged.

[TheWaywardWind]

ah np atleast your honest.. and well since frontlines mael has always been better, followed by adders then flames.. i havent seen much change in this order.and i have played with all 3 gc's, so far my stay at mael was average and i enjoy adders playstyle more. but for me the win rates about the same lol.
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This is wrong. Mael went through a period of doing well, to flat out sucking, to becoming what my FC used to call 'the eternal second,' simply because it seemed like no matter what happened between the Flames and the Adders, Mael would always come up second.

Adders and Flames would either switch off from first and last for a while, or one of them would stay in first for a long time.

In Seize, Adders are just plain bad. Mael and Flames are about the same, but there are instances where they both have no idea what they're doing.

[Haze4dayz]

Only way to make it better is to /shout between matches in different zones. Encourage others to solo queue up and get involved. Such a small group of people playing over and over again its no wonder why you all are so salty with no fresh water.

[HylianBebop]

0-21 with Adders today. About 7-8 matches were 50 or less point losses. One 8v8v8 we were up by 200 and lost at the end. Worst I've ever seen adders, and I thought they were improving.

[TheWaywardWind]

0-21 with Adders today. About 7-8 matches were 50 or less point losses. One 8v8v8 we were up by 200 and lost at the end. Worst I've ever seen adders, and I thought they were improving.

I pity you guys. You were stellar in slaughter, but just can't seem to get your shit together in seize. I've never seen the Adders perform so badly.

[Dimitrii]

0-21 with Adders today. About 7-8 matches were 50 or less point losses. One 8v8v8 we were up by 200 and lost at the end. Worst I've ever seen adders, and I thought they were improving.

At least your queues are fast enough to allow you to frontline as much in one day as alot of people on Maelstrom do in one week. I can't even imagine being able to get into 21 matches in a day as Maelstrom.

[Februs]

0-21 with Adders today. About 7-8 matches were 50 or less point losses. One 8v8v8 we were up by 200 and lost at the end. Worst I've ever seen adders, and I thought they were improving.

Ouch. 21 matches is impressive. You have my sympathies...

At least you could play 21 matches. Even on Flames (which usually have pretty stellar que times) I don't think I could que for that many matches in one day. I gave up last night. Waiting for that timer started to get really bad... There are days I think I've broken the DF, I swear...

[fallenalexiel]

Queue times are only going to get worse after patch

[HylianBebop]

Mother of god. Adders you are so bad. Dear YoshiP, please bless me with good RNG so I can get these last 13 wins and be done of the worst GC please, please. Also will you remove Adders from the lore? Thanks.

Edit: Last match, Flames sat back and didn't take any nodes, didn't fight mael, just spread out in beach area to fight adders if they spread that way, and then zerged whatever node Adders had. What have adders possibly done to you? We've been losing.

[reefer69]

lol i agreee after switching back on monday... i went 2/4/12 lol......today was some improvement now at 8/11/16 after reset... horrible but the game play improved today thursday.... compared monday before reset.... tuesday eso day and wed capp lol...i miss the players.. but jah adders ability to win or even come 2nd place has gotten worse than flames lol....