JP server player is calling us out. Step up, NA endgamers.

[Whiteroom]

Sure, self-entitled for not watching a video. You are just asking someone to spoil the fun of learning, spoil what the boss is, spoil what the mechanics is, maybe even spoil seeing the story itself and possible pre and after battle cutscenes.


If i watch it= i learn nothing
If i don't watch it = i learn nothing

Result = same for both

So start your own blind group. People who want to go in blind at the expense of others are terribly selfish. Also you aren't even getting the true "blind" experience doing it that way, you are just getting carried and lying to yourself about doing it blind.

There is no way you can learn "nothing" from a video, at least you can pick up the basic formation. You can see something of the fight. I have yet to run into someone who thinks you should know every aspect of a fight from a video. Usually its have an attempt, wipe, and "oh! Thats how that mechainc works! I get it now!" Rather than "wtf just happened?","I dunno".

[Jamein]

I understand what you are saying. What I said there wasn't meant to bash people who want others to watch videos. Because videos help alot of people. But videos also don't help alot of people. When I watch a T5 video, I watched it 3 or 4 times and as soon as I got into T5 I forgot already. And every video I've watched(I watched a T9 for... "fun"), to me, they just make it sound more complex than what it really is. No matter the creator. Lots of mechanics can be explained in simple short sentences. Example: Ice and fire- I was told "Get a fire, run away. Get a ice run close". Heck that worked too.

No one is saying videos explain things 100%, but you at least know what the mechanics are even if you don't know how to 100% handle them till you have seen them.
Also, whoever told you that for fire/ice was wrong anyway if that's all they said.

[Kat_Manx]

So start your own blind group. People who want to go in blind at the expense of others are terribly selfish. Also you aren't even getting the true "blind" experience doing it that way, you are just getting carried and lying to yourself about doing it blind.

There is no way you can learn "nothing" from a video, at least you can pick up the basic formation. You can see something of the fight. I have yet to run into someone who thinks you should know every aspect of a fight from a video. Usually its have an attempt, wipe, and "oh! Thats how that mechainc works! I get it now!" Rather than "wtf just happened?","I dunno".

Do not assume I need to be carried just because I don't watch a video. I can assure you there are several times I have performed better than video-watchers or even people who have previously cleared the same content.

[Brian_]

And also, the discrimination towards a class, the PLD. I was trying to find a group to clear Bismarck EX in PF, I found one, it's only need 1 more, a tank slot. Then I join (as a PLD).
Then the party leader said, "No PLD, PLD does shit dps" and I got kicked just like that.
in expert DF, "LOL a PLD, prepare for a long run, bla bla"
JP server did their first A4S clear with a PLD if I remember, they don't discriminate like these people here in NA which I usually see.

Nope. DRK/WAR. The first PLD group didn't clear AS4 until 4 weeks after the world first.

[Whiteroom]

Do not assume I need to be carried just because I don't watch a video. I can assure you there are several times I have performed better than video-watchers or even people who have previously cleared the same content.

So you have played better than others several times... shouldn't it be your goal to be at the very least middle of the pack each time. To say, hey, sometimes I'm not the worst player in the group using my methods...

[AriaEnia]

Do not assume I need to be carried just because I don't watch a video. I can assure you there are several times I have performed better than video-watchers or even people who have previously cleared the same content.

People here always assume that: someone causing a wipe = wants to be carried, have not watched any video = wants to be carried, low number dps = wants to be carried, healing and not dpsing = wants to be carried, vit tanks = wants to be carried

Just kidding, I made the last two ones up.

[Kat_Manx]

So you have played better than others several times... shouldn't it be your goal to be at the very least middle of the pack each time. To say, hey, sometimes I'm not the worst player in the group using my methods...

I'm okay with how I do in the game, just trying to defend people I know that are constantly sad over other peoples selfish behavior and attitude in this game. Worst community ever. Wish the chat box was removed. Feel like I should pop over to some MOBA to read nicer text.

[Whiteroom]

I'm okay with how I do in the game, just trying to defend people I know that are constantly sad over other peoples selfish behavior and attitude in this game. Worst community ever. Wish the chat box was removed. Feel like I should pop over to some MOBA to read nicer text.

I have to ask:

Not preparing for a team fight so you can have the "kind of blind" expierence. Is this selfish?

Preparing for a team fight so that it goes better by getting some kind of an idea whats happening, and help the team. Is this selfish?

Also the generic "worst community ever" comment? Really? Well I guess someone on every games forum has to be the one spouting it.

[Nadirah]

Oh yes, I aaaalways missed trash in my raids..
Nothing more enjoyable than having to plow through all of that for every single farm run.

Trash that dropped stuff so good folks formed run for the express purpose of farming trash.

[Brian_]

How is it a blind run when you want other people to explain the fight to you?

That's isn't what a blind run is. That's just called being selfish.

If you want to do a blind run, make a PF for it. Don't join a learning party and force 7 other people to do a blind run for you when it's not the collective goal of the group.

Also to the person who was complaining about Ravana EX. Clear groups are not learning parties. Clear groups are for people who already know the entire fight and have all the qualifications needed to clear. Aside from consolidating strats, there is no teaching in a clear party.

The only difference with the Japanese PF is people appropriately list learning groups for different phases of fights, join the appropriate learning phase, and actually learn and progress until they can finally clear.

From my time on NA servers, they also had PF listings of this nature. "T13 progression up until dive bombs," "Bismark EX weather phase progression," "Ravana EX Final Liberation onwards," and other similar listings were a thing in the past. I left Gilgamesh a few months ago so I can't comment on what state it's in anymore, but prior to leaving, it was already pretty bad. I can only imagine how much worse lower-pop servers are.

But, the biggest issue is that people join progression groups without the proper progression. They think "oh, I got to add-phase in A3S once so I guess that's my progression." No, it's not. They join clear groups while still lacking the mastery of mechanics needed to consistently clear. They join farm groups when they haven't cleared yet. And, when they get called out for their behavior, they don't apologize and leave. They have the trashiness needed to somehow blame others.

On JP servers, there are real consequences for being such a douche bag.

What type of residual effect does this have? It makes other people reluctant to list PF learning / progression groups because the same thing will happen to them. Some sack of garbage will join their group, wipe them, and waste everyone's time. And, when groups tighten their belts, check progression, and kick accordingly, they're toxic elitists. In the meanwhile, more and more people think that they can just ninja their way into a clear group and get carried so the value of real learning and progression is marginalized.

I'll share a short story of mine from my time on Gilgamesh that sums this situation up perfectly. I joined a T10 farm party, noticed an FC mate that we had only recently helped clear T9. "Wow, good for him. He's already progressed to T10 farm," I thought. I was wrong. We enter and the soldiery bonus pops up. We all ask who it is. I ask in FC chat if it's him and he says that it is, but he has full experience with the fight so I stay quiet. We wipe a few times because he (an SCH) couldn't do preys properly and messed up the heat lightning / tether / WC mechanics. We eventually clear but a few members leave after because they signed up for a farm party. Not a carry one person through and waste our time party. We end up disbanding.

A few minutes later, I'm back in PF checking for farms and I see that FC mate in PF. His PF listing? "T10 farm, no soldiery bonus."

It's not a coincidence that people say the NA servers are all about "fake it until you make it." The state of NA PF listings is the result of this mentality.

So now I'm on a JP server. I can actually join clear groups now with the intent of just helping and actually see the group clear rather than spend 30 minutes trying to explain the fight to a few people who have no business being there before the group eventually breaks down into a toxic pool of drama and feces throwing. It feels good being able to help people clear Bismark EX and Ravana EX again. It feels good helping people clear A1S and A2S when they're okay with 1 chest. It feels good knowing that my community is not composed of a bunch of self-entitled brats.