JP server player is calling us out. Step up, NA endgamers.

[Azazua_azura]

You still aren't providing proof you are just speaking nonsense. FFXI was forced because you either leveled to do the story or you did nothing no one ever logged on just to be a crafter. Here's the Back up I am raiding you are not. You never even completed Coil so how can you actually speak on something you don't do? I'm speaking from experience not my dick. Using phrases like "Blanket assumptions" won't help you sound more valid or discredit me. You still remain the exact type of player i'm talking about speak from experience not emotions then maybe we can have reasonable chat. All i'm hearing from you are excuses yet you are telling me i'm wrong.
Okay then you can win this imaginary debate you are trying to hold.

First off in ff11 you didn't need to do endgame. Ff11 story was optional as well, you log on and level up did quests for fame/gil. you did rank missions to open endgame up such as dynamis, sky, sea etc. BUT the gear and weapons were optional and didn't need it to play. I did dynamis and sky in ff11 which was fun, but loot drama made it unfun. each story expac was stand alone and required none of the gear in endgame to play it. Like you didn't need dynamis gear to play in sky, you didn't need sky gear to play in sea. Infact i met entire cap linkshells who opted out of endgame. FF11 had alot of content you could do outside of endgame.

In every mmo i played endgame was an option not a goal, only mmo like this was WoW which was you level up then raided.

What I'm trying to point out, is your acting like a typical WoW forum going who take people at face value and measure their worth on that. Your acting like i have no right to an opinion because at face value "i'm a level 50 with no endgame experience". And not admiting that you are just stating fallacies that WoW player think of ff11.

So please stop acting high and mighty with your so called game experience that honestly sounds like lies to me.

[Atoli]

Wow gives us 12-16 bosses per raid + trash.

Oh yes, I aaaalways missed trash in my raids..
Nothing more enjoyable than having to plow through all of that for every single farm run.

[Alexftw]

What's the problem with a timer? That's part of the challenge. It forces everyone to perform nearly perfect in order to success.

Do you want spank and dodge for one hour in a row bosses? Thats not challenging in my opnion.

Actually.. In my opnion boss enrage timer should start when the raid starts. Having time to prepare makes things easier than required. And 16 man raids should require to split group by different paths and time things in order to be able to complete. Atm they're too easy and borring. They're kill and dodge pretty much.

Raids in this game are dungeons, not raids. You don't have to constantly move. You can take breaks before bosses due to the way time works. You can even wipe multiple times due to that.

16 bosses per raid.. Rather have 1 really hard boss with epic mechanisms than 16 hard bosses with obvious mechanisms.

Last.. We need more extreme bosses pleasee. Ravana is too easy xD.even today our fc did it with 3 first timers at first try.

[Fevelle]

"WoW had X"
"WoW had Y"
"Even Tera has Z"

And when I say there are players trying to change this game into a generic spin-off of their favorite game, someone says I'm making "divisive claims". Well, I was just stating a fact as you can see.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Oh yes, I aaaalways missed trash in my raids..
Nothing more enjoyable than having to plow through all of that for every single farm run.

In Everquest 2 the trash was some times harder to kill then the nameds and they also dropped (had a chance) to drop their own unique loot which was often sought after and very rare.

[CosmicKirby]

why is the title of this thread "step up endgamers"? why is the finger being pointed directly only at a small portion of the community and not holding everyone accountable?

Because it was started by a person that doesn't end game.

People like to have others to blame.

[Azazua_azura]

I will start caring about what the wannabe hardcore raiders in this game think when SE makes actual raids and end game content. Wow's raids put ff14 wannabe raids to shame. Ulduar and ICC and Naxrammus were the best raiding experience I have ever done.

My longer view is here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoX9...toyjmitzr4arb0

I will start doing savage mode stuff when they remove the stupid raid timer and give us back the actual raids back. There is NO WAY I will be ok with SE making 3-4 bosses per wannabe "raid" when Wow gives us 12-16 bosses per raid + trash.

dude just stop -_- u been sayong this for mnths and its annoying every bit of content is designed so anyone who had 30 mins can play the content... -_-;

In alot of ways i agree with you but it is what it is being snarky gets people no where.

[Madjames]

dude just stop -_- u been sayong this for mnths and its annoying every bit of content is designed so anyone who had 30 mins can play the content... -_-;

In alot of ways i agree with you but it is what it is being snarky gets people no where.

Telling people to step up to a wannabe raid is snarky. I simply stated a fact. If people want to step up, then go to 10/25 man hardmode Ulduar (Including Algalon) and ICC in relevant gear and level then come back to me and talk about raids. Or go to the BC raids.

Sorry to say but this game's raids are not raids and never will be. Not when other games (Including some F2P MMOs) are offering much bigger, more bosses, and challenging raids that make this game look sad. It is kinda sad when a F2P game offers twice the bosses per raid that is on equal footing when it comes to challenge when compared to this game. I say, SE needs to step up and give us our raids and end game content back.

[Colorful]

"WoW had X"
"WoW had Y"
"Even Tera has Z"

And when I say there are players trying to change this game into a generic spin-off of their favorite game, someone says I'm making "divisive claims". Well, I was just stating a fact as you can see.

Maybe because this game is almost exact replica of WoW with a few things changed here and there? When you're playing GTA V and Saints Row IV you're obviously going to be making comparisons between the two, "GTA could borrow this element" and so on because they're very similar games. The same applies to FFXIV and WoW, but dare someone mention any game that isn't FFXIV on here and they'll get shat on because FFXIV is quite superior to all of them, especially FFXI. I don't know why people despise people suggesting they implement things from FFXI, they act like the poster threatened their family.

[Madjames]

"WoW had X"
"WoW had Y"
"Even Tera has Z"

And when I say there are players trying to change this game into a generic spin-off of their favorite game, someone says I'm making "divisive claims". Well, I was just stating a fact as you can see.

Hmmmm yeah no. I do NOT want a generic spin-off. I want EQUAL content. F2P games are giving their players 3-4 times as many bosses per raid tier as this game. That is NOT ok to me and never will be. SE needs to step up and give us more content plain and simple. It is kinda sad when a F2P game offeres more content then a subscription game. This has nothing to do with changing the way the game works as the game already follows t he end game raiding as every other MMORPG has for the past 9 years.

Also do not give me this budget excuse either.

Wow had what, 800-900k subs during their first year? From the start they were offering 10-15 boss raids with 40 man raid groups in mind. If wow can do it from 2004, and this game follows this exact model, I see no reason why I as a consumer, can not expect the same quality and quantity of content from SE when (In my opinion) SE now has more subs then wow did during vanilla.

Its like going to a target and them not having a clothing section when Walmart does. Why would you want to shop at a store that offers less of a selection, or less quality in what they provide, then their competitors at a higher or same price? The answer is you wouldn't plain and simple. This game has a more in depth character job system and housing over their competitors which is why I stay. Its like Target having a clothing section but Walmart not having an electronics and an appliance section. I go to the store with the most to offer. IRL here in Oregon I refuse to go into target because they do not have a Mcdonalds. Instead they have their target crap food that charges more then Mcdonalds and I will not support that. Target also lacks an outside garden department and does not sell plants during the planting season. Target also does not allow me to carry a firearm when I am allowed to by my government, yet Walmart does. Sorry Target I shop at Walmart now.

I EXPECT the same quality and quantity from both stores and Target falls much shorter then Walmart. Sorry that I apply this to MMORPG's as well but I as a consumer want to get my moneys worth and this games laughable raids are not getting my moneys worth in that department, at all when other games are offering more for the same price.