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    Quote Originally Posted by zosia View Post
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    Now that you're done with the strawman, do you mind addressing the actual subject? There are players on NA servers all too ready to learn these fights but folks like you and other tryhards seem to have no interest if it means more competition for the trinkets you feel entitled to exclusively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayward View Post
    Now that you're done with the strawman, do you mind addressing the actual subject? There are players on NA servers all too ready to learn these fights but folks like you and other tryhards seem to have no interest if it means more competition for the trinkets you feel entitled to exclusively.
    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

    Since you have trouble reading, let me digest that post for you.

    tl:dr They are not entitled to our time. They should group up together, create their own parties, befriend end-game FCs or LS. I provided plenty of solutions. Just like a typical player in this game, you want OTHER people to do the work for these 'eager learners' not willing to work for themselves.

    So, when you're ready to actually discuss the systemic problem of casual entitlement, please check your poor understanding of fallacies at the door and address the issues that drive good players away from wanting to play with these poor disenfranchised masses waiting to learn content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zosia View Post
    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

    Since you have trouble reading, let me digest that post for you.

    tl:dr They are not entitled to our time.
    No one is entitled to do anything, but, in the abscence of SE's development of the game, if your want to improve the number of players interesred in raiding, which means more people to select from, you can't just sit on your hands and wait for it to poof into being.

    Unlike in 2.0, people have options now. If endgame raiding is seen as, well, a head bangingly bad time with the party as well as the mobs, many won't do it patch after patch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    No one is entitled to do anything, but, in the abscence of SE's development of the game, if your want to improve the number of players interesred in raiding, which means more people to select from, you can't just sit on your hands and wait for it to poof into being.Unlike in 2.0, people have options now. If endgame raiding is seen as, well, a head bangingly bad time with the party as well as the mobs, many won't do it patch after patch.
    That is why it's not advantageous to work on building an endgame community anymore.

    SE crashed the endgame community of ARR into a brick wall with 3.0. It's literally in shambles right now. We have received little to no sympathy from the non-raiding community for these terrible design choices. So, now that a lot of our friends have quit or transferred servers, it's up to us to fix what SE broke? Nah, no thanks. I already have enough irl stuff to stress about, the plight of some stranger who needs a Bis EX clear is the last thing I am thinking about when I go to log in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zosia View Post
    That is why it's not advantageous to work on building an endgame community anymore.

    SE crashed the endgame community of ARR into a brick wall with 3.0. It's literally in shambles right now. We have received little to no sympathy from the non-raiding community for these terrible design choices. So, now that a lot of our friends have quit or transferred servers, it's up to us to fix what SE broke? Nah, no thanks. I already have enough irl stuff to stress about, the plight of some stranger who needs a Bis EX clear is the last thing I am thinking about when I go to log in.
    What goes around comes around, I guess. I actually enjoy Alex was designed with a normal mode in mind ,and I am looking foward to the exploratory stuff with my fc, which has players of various skill. The lack of participation in endgame was something se wanted to address.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    What goes around comes around, I guess. I actually enjoy Alex was designed with a normal mode in mind ,and I am looking foward to the exploratory stuff with my fc, which has players of various skill. The lack of participation in endgame was something se wanted to address.
    and they failed at it. The only increase in participation we have seen is in the story mode alex, which is hardly end game content. It's just another faceroll DF-able dungeon that you can complete by rolling your face across the keyboard. I have so little faith that this dev team can deliver after taking more time with 3.1 and delivering a much smaller patch than we all anticipated. Two dungeons? One trial? Pfft? I really hope sky hunts, which I think is a better term, pans out to be amazing because EVERYONE is feeling the weight of this content drought.

    It's not the responsibility of good players to be altruistic and do what SE is getting paid to do. SE needs to incorporate motivating factors for more skilled players to play with less skilled players. SE needs to find a way to foster an end game community.

    This captain Ahab content designed to destroy raid teams is more of our (skilled players) concern right now than trying to help Joe Casual get his Ex clear.
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    Last edited by zosia; 11-05-2015 at 03:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayward View Post
    Now that you're done with the strawman, do you mind addressing the actual subject? There are players on NA servers all too ready to learn these fights but folks like you and other tryhards seem to have no interest if it means more competition for the trinkets you feel entitled to exclusively.
    wants help, yet calls people tryhards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayward View Post
    Now that you're done with the strawman, do you mind addressing the actual subject? There are players on NA servers all too ready to learn these fights but folks like you and other tryhards seem to have no interest if it means more competition for the trinkets you feel entitled to exclusively.
    If you go into learning parties with an attitude like that, I don't think many people would be inclined to help you. :/
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