JP server player is calling us out. Step up, NA endgamers.

[Irie]

All I see in this thread is two factions pointing fingers at each other and yelling "IT'S NOT OUR FAULT! THEY'RE THE BAD ONES!"
"Elitists" vs. casuals all over again.

[Craiger]

All I see in this thread is two factions pointing fingers at each other and yelling "IT'S NOT OUR FAULT! THEY'RE THE BAD ONES!"
"Elitists" vs. casuals all over again.

Well, one of the problems is that the more casual players and the ones you call "elitist", end up in the same groups too often...

Japan is one country with the same culture and the player-base there can easily split into group with the same goals. If you make a group for early on practice, then most players that join will have similar knowledge and motivation as the one who created it... and same for kill/farm groups etc. Which makes it a lot easier to be patient.

The problem isn't that NA/EU players aren't good enough, it's that the wrong players group up with each-other.

If casuals grouped up with other like-minded casuals, and hardcore raiders grouped up with other like-minded hardcore raiders, we would have a much better functioning raid community.

EDIT: How to more easily find like-minded players, I have no idea though...

[Whiteroom]

All I see in this thread is two factions pointing fingers at each other and yelling "IT'S NOT OUR FAULT! THEY'RE THE BAD ONES!"
"Elitists" vs. casuals all over again.

Tbh, I see a lot more than that. You can call it elitist vs casual if that makes it easier to write off. To often in our community, simply being good is enough to be labelled as Elitist, while Casual is used as an excuse and defense for preforming well below standard. You don't have to be a hardcore elitist to learn your role basics.

What I see in our community and here, is people ignoring the part where people from the Japan servers saying people show up more prepared for a fight, doing their research, and knowing their roll. You have people who are saying the average dps they see over there is 800-1000, and rarely a much poorer player, where here it's very common to see people doing 200-300.

The community, imho, would be in a much more positive and helpful place if there wasn't so many who couldn't be bothered to preform at even a mediocre standard. People need to help themselves help the team. Wanting people to learn the basics of their role and watch a video by level 60 is far from elitist.

Even in this thread. Someone who claims to be looking for ways to improve the community flat out wrote the comming prepared off if you had less time. They wrote off a key aspect of smooth runs.

[Irie]

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My point was that as long as ppl keep blaming the others and not trying to reflect on their own mistakes / behaviour nothing's gonna change. We can go on about how this is a cultural thing, how the commnunity / mindset / you name it is different, but in the end for me it boils down to pretending as if it's someone elses fault or finding some other excuse.