JP server player is calling us out. Step up, NA endgamers.

[Atmora]

Maybe those DPS would perform better if they were helped rather then tossed out like trash cause they cant perform. (insulted, vote kicked etc)

Now sure i have read my fair share of "they refuse to learn" topics on this forum but I'm more willing to believe that people simply are not willing to teach and rather just blame others for not getting better on their own.

Listen if someone is actually trying to clear hard content why on earth should they be required to take in a first timer or someone who is incapable. If you want to learn a fight make a learning party and network with other players who are also learning.

[Devils_Lawyer]

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The selfish mentality goes both ways unfortunately, people who has things on grind don't want first timers cause its a waste of their time and first timers want to sneak into farm parties as to not waste time themselves.

Which is why there is a very small number of learning groups in the PF in general.

No one should be insulted, but if a DPS isn't performing up to par in endgame content and they are getting in the way of a clear, why shouldn't they be kicked?

Some people might not know that their dps is bad cause the only means of checking that is considered a TOS violation.

Not to mention that people wont exactly explain to the person why they decide to kick them out so in the end they are left in the dark wondering what just happened and not knowing that their performance was not up to par.

[Gardes]

Some people might not know that their dps is bad cause the only means of checking that is considered a TOS violation.

Not to mention that people wont exactly explain to the person why they decide to kick them out so in the end they are left in the dark wondering what just happened and not knowing that their performance was not up to par.

And whose fault is that, I wonder? How did we get to being disallowed to gauge and criticize someone's basic ability to fight and yet somehow people being unable to learn specific fights is the problem? Is the demand basically making capable players take in every single player that comes along and then let them 'learn' a specific fight when a lot of the players don't even have the basics down?

Suppose I start doing this and a guy comes into my learning party and we couldn't progress because he doesn't have the dps. If I tell him his dps is low, I risk getting banned. I don't tell him, we get stuck in limbo. If I don't tell him and disband with other excuses, I'm basically passing the buck to other people in the same position as me. They will get this guy in their party and they will get stuck again and cannot do anything about it.

It doesn't even matter if said player knows his dps is low or not or whether he's doing it intentionally or not. What matters is that if the NA community wants to start more learning pfs for specific fights, they're gonna have to deal with every single one of these without being able to sift for people who actually care about their game and get to the rest later when they actually realize they have to learn their own class if they want to join in. But no, let's fight hard here so you dont have to try harder in game and let's fight hard to keep content nerfed so you have to try even less.

[Starbirth]

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I really have to agree that the TOS violation for 3rd party software hurts more than it mends. Whatever it's supposed to mend anyway.

[RiceisNice]

I really have to agree that the TOS violation for 3rd party software hurts more than it mends. Whatever it's supposed to mend anyway.

It's mostly a blanket statement that covers other softwares that include botting or hacking. The best alleivation for this is having a game feature that does exactly just that and is sanction by SE (considering they have their own means of checking class DPS)