Block first timers from Party Finder!

[Ashkendor]

OPTION!!!, what a joke. the moment this is implemented i'll open up PF and about 99% of the parties will have this ticked

Yeah, option. As in you aren't forced to do it. People that want to make clear parties can still make clear parties.

I do, having an option that locks out 90% of the player base to benefit 10% of the player base

The thing is, the players this affects are already unwelcome. People wanting to make clear parties can still do so. People wanting to join without a clear but knowing the fight because they've been to 5% can PM the party leader just like they can now. People that ninja into farms already end up getting kicked, possibly ending up on peoples' blacklists for joining a farm when they don't know the fight. What this suggestion would avoid is the waste of time and the sheer number of parties that just plain fall apart because of the unnecessary drama of someone that wants a carry deciding they're gonna jump in and play "let's pretend I know what's going on here."

My understanding is that it's less that, more: "Get these filthy casuals out of the game! No screw ups, ever" but I can't say I see this option having any effect either way. People that paid for their clear will still get into farm parties and screw up.

If that's your understanding, you clearly haven't read most of the thread.

[Dualgunner]

OPTION!!!, what a joke. the moment this is implemented i'll open up PF and about 99% of the parties will have this ticked

Then be part of the people who don't have it ticked, be part of the people who want to help the community as a whole get better. There's a reason that learn and clear parties exist, and they exist so more experienced players can help less experienced players learn the game. On Coeurl I am regularly in learning and clear parties, and when I make them they fill up pretty fast; faster than some farm parties, even.

You don't *need* to jump into a farm party or a DF to get content cleared. It's not impossible to win based on your own hard work and learning. People not being able to ninja clears just means they'll need to learn the fight, which contributes to a more skilled playerbase, which contributes to a richer endgame.

[Ageofwar]

My understanding is that it's less that, more: "Get these filthy casuals out of the game! No screw ups, ever" but I can't say I see this option having any effect either way. People that paid for their clear will still get into farm parties and screw up.

you dear lady have a good point

[WinterLuna]

My understanding is that it's less that, more: "Get these filthy casuals out of the game! No screw ups, ever" but I can't say I see this option having any effect either way. People that paid for their clear will still get into farm parties and screw up.

You're so against this suggestion and bringing the 'wow you so elitist' argument into this, yet you have a thread up yourself about people using farm parties for carries. Hypocrisy much? You're acknowledging there's a problem but are so opposed to a solution and make me out to be the bad guy because I'm tired of rude players?

Also, your understanding is ridiculously wrong, so please attempt to understand it the way it's actually presented instead of turning this against me. Also you realise this isn't just about 'screw ups' right? It's about people using farms for clears. Again, proves you've barely read the thread or don't have a clue what we're actually asking for.

[WinterLuna]

if the OP could come up with a suggestion that benefits both parties then i would be all for it

Benefits for the other party? Okay.

- Learning and clear parties would fill up a lot more because players can't use others farm parties for their clear.

- They are protected against making the 'mistake' of not reading somebody's party finder or misunderstanding the rules and getting themselves blacklisted when they don't meet the requirements.

- When they actually want to farm something themselves after their initial clear, they will be thankful.

- They have to actually learn the fight and put in effort instead of getting carried, meaning they will know the fight for future reference.

Also, the fact you only acknowledged that this would be an option when someone pointed it out to you proves you've barely read the thread, if at all. If you actually tried to understand it you'd see there's no reason this would be a bad idea other than not being able to sneak in for your precious clears.

[Brill_]

Thinking big picture(not just farm parties) people will check that option for every PF they set up(whether it's a farm party or not). If the option is being used on non-farm party, then this option will effectively block people without a clear from using PF.

[Stupiduglytaru]

Thinking big picture(not just farm parties) people will check that option for every PF they set up(whether it's a farm party or not). If the option is being used on non-farm party, then this option will effectively block people without a clear from using PF.

Well not really, if the leader has not cleared this content the option wouldn't be available in the first place.

In terms of pony farming or pretty much any other level 50 unsynced activities, really doesn't matter who you bring in unsynced people care more about the "numbers" of 60's

[WinterLuna]

Thinking big picture(not just farm parties) people will check that option for every PF they set up(whether it's a farm party or not). If the option is being used on non-farm party, then this option will effectively block people without a clear from using PF.

How is that possible when you need a clear yourself to be able to use the option? You can't just make a clear party with the option ticked if you haven't even cleared it yourself.

[Dualgunner]

Thinking big picture(not just farm parties) people will check that option for every PF they set up(whether it's a farm party or not). If the option is being used on non-farm party, then this option will effectively block people without a clear from using PF.

Why would they click that for a learning party? Or a clear party? I don't know about you but I don't see a lot of learning parties going "KNOW THE WHOLE FIGHT".

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I've read every post in this extremely long thread. If I have misunderstandings, it's more likely that people haven't been perfectly clear, or because I doubt they're being completely honest.

...Also, that other post isn't really related. That one is more me complaining about the people that paid for their clears without bothering to learn the fight.