100+ old quests to access expansion content...?

[zbtiqua]

Also, you'll most likely NEVER be able to talk to the devs. At best you can catch the attention of a community manager who will then hopefully pass the word to the devs, but the chances are really low, considering this debate is done and over since a year ago

The fact that this debate was done and over in the past does not mean that they made a good decision. Example: The American Civil War. Plenty of people didn't like slavery. Someone could have said "You won't get the attention of government because this debate was done and over a hundred years ago. Slaves forever."

Are you prepared to conclude that all discussions which have ended must have made good decisions? Or are you ready to backpedal, and accept that MAYBE the status quo is still stupid.

[Kuwagami]

Why not? Because the story will conveniently not require it? I want every expansion from here forward to require all new players to go through all this old story crap I am doing now. You know why they wont? Because people DON'T WANT TO DO THIS! They wouldn't sell as many copies of the next expansion if new players knew they had to go through this additional pointless gate, and that's why it wont be there. And, that is exactly the same problem that still exists here. So while you seem to think you have made a great point against what I am saying here, you may not realize that you have also demonstrated that the problem exists.

no. Because 2 things :

A) Yoshida acknowledged that forcing people to go through years of outdated content isn't going to attract new players

B) future developments of the story will most likely NOT revolve around the war of magi, thus not need HS's story

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Devs made a decision. Players as a whole agreed that while bothering for skippers, the lore reasons behind this choice were right and the story was short enough not to be a bother for true skippers (way shorter than the 1 => 50 levelling). There is no need to debate more as it's done now, and next extensions won't require HS's story completion.

[zbtiqua]

no. Because 2 things :

A) Yoshida acknowledged that forcing people to go through years of outdated content isn't going to attract new players

EXACTLY! I am a new player and this DOES NOT ATTRACT ME! If only I could go back in time and tell myself before I spent so many hours leveling.

[Kuwagami]

EXACTLY! I am a new player and this DOES NOT ATTRACT ME! If only I could go back in time and tell myself before I spent so many hours leveling.

Thing is, HS is not locked after years of content (technically 2 years, but the amount of content added by the 2.X patches is nothing as big as what 2.0 added, or 3.0). You can literally rush through all the lv50 content pre-HS faster than it took you to level up to 50. Yes, even if you did nothing but FATE spamming.

A skipper, as you claim you are, could blow away the entirety of ARR in less than 2 weeks playing 2 hours a day. HS behind that takes roughly the same time, minus some annoying things in duty finder when people can't dps (the Aery, Bismarck). In your free month given with the game, you caught up with everyone and are ready to start big.

So yeah it can be annoying to some people, but keep in mind that in other games, reaching max level AND full end game content availability usually takes at least a couple of month if you play "only" 2 hours a day.


Also, if you already have the extension, all the quests you do pre-HS give you experience, which will help you A LOT when you reach lv57-59, where there is almost no content to level up fast and huge loads of exp needed. You can either accept fast and easy exp during those quests you don't like, or endure long and boring grind once you hit the leveling wall. I guarantee you it's faster to do the quests.

Do you know who else said this recently? The Elder Scrolls Online. I know because they actually flew me and a bunch of other top gamers to their corporate headquarters to discuss the game last year. They said, "we don't need to focus on the MMO aspect, because this is an elder scrolls game before an MMO." We told them they were stupid and they didn't listen. Guess where that game is now? Pretty much dead my friend.

urgh. authority argument (without anything to back up your claims even....). Not even to mention TESO is dead because their end game is crap. Focusing solely on leveling and pvp doesn't keep a game alive for long. See Wildstar.

[zbtiqua]

urgh. authority argument (without anything to back up your claims even....)

That wasn't the main point I was trying to make but if you are really concerned I'm sure you could confirm this in a few seconds by googling something like "ESO guild summit zbtiqua"

[Kuwagami]

That wasn't the main point I was trying to make but if you are really concerned I'm sure you could confirm this in a few seconds by googling something like "ESO guild summit zbtiqua"

That was not my point when I talked about authority argument (though I did go check and saw you did attend to that event. gratz, that's some great once-in-a-lifetime occasion ).

"I know what I'm talking about cuz I predicted the downfall of an other MMO before". THAT is an authority argument. What happened to TESO won't happen here because FFxiv doesn't have the innerent problems TESO had (and most likely still has). That also means your experience in TESO is meaningless here. Because the games aren't handling the MMO part and the "new players coming" part the same way.

FFxiv may fall one day, but that won't be because Heavensward was locked between lore reasons. That one is for sure

[zbtiqua]

FFxiv may fall one day, but that won't be because Heavensward was locked between lore reasons. That one is for sure

Whether or not a bad idea causes a game to fail does not change the fact that it is bad and it would be optimal to improve it. Using lore to explain the need for this soul-crushing quest chain is not a valid argument considering both the lore and the quest chain were created by people and can or could be designed any way they want. There is no way around that simple fact.