100+ old quests to access expansion content...?

[Kuwagami]

sorry to burst your bubble OP, but the majority of the playerbase comes from the FF fanbase, which is fond of the storyline, in every FF, this one included.

The great majority of the players enjoys the story, even as far as asking for story mode raids to enjoy every last bit of it. THAT is a fact. Also, the very reason why you get to have the HS story is because of this pre-HS section of quests. Don't want to do them ? Fine, don't ask to go in Ishgard then, as the lore says you can't.

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Just to point out that you find the game design to be stupid only because you don't care of the story, which gives more than enough reasons for that particular design to exist.

Also do not worry, the next extension won't require you to complete HS.


Also, you'll most likely NEVER be able to talk to the devs. At best you can catch the attention of a community manager who will then hopefully pass the word to the devs, but the chances are really low, considering this debate is done and over since a year ago

[zbtiqua]

Fine, don't ask to go in Ishgard then, as the lore says you can't.


Also do not worry, the next extension won't require you to complete HS.

Why not? Because the story will conveniently not require it? I want every expansion from here forward to require all new players to go through all this old story crap I am doing now. You know why they wont? Because people DON'T WANT TO DO THIS! They wouldn't sell as many copies of the next expansion if new players knew they had to go through this additional pointless gate, and that's why it wont be there. And, that is exactly the same problem that still exists here. So while you seem to think you have made a great point against what I am saying here, you may not realize that you have also demonstrated that the problem exists.

[Niwashi]

Why not? Because the story will conveniently not require it?

Because for an expansion to require the base game is different than for one expansion to require another expansion. Once 4.0 comes out, there will be people who just buy the game and the latest expansion, and don't want to buy other expansions just to get to 4.0 or 5.0 or whatever they're up to by that time.

With the base game, SE doesn't have that limitation. Everyone getting an expansion needs the base game anyway, and needs to level to endgame in it. Requiring you actually play the game while doing so isn't much of an additional requirement, so SE could add the story to make the expansion fit into the world it's set in. It allowed them to use Ishgard as a setting for 3.0, which they couldn't have otherwise.

[zbtiqua]

With the base game, SE doesn't have that limitation. Everyone getting an expansion needs the base game anyway, and needs to level to endgame in it. Requiring you actually play the game while doing so isn't much of an additional requirement, so SE could add the story to make the expansion fit into the world it's set in.

So what you are saying is, they could create an expansion without the need to repeat pointless old content, and they will in the future because noone wants to do it. But, just not yet because they already did this. Your explanation also explains why there is no need for this to even be a part of the game- they are creating the content and can create it however they want, even without making you do 100 old quests.

Heres an idea- Why not have ONE chain quest to allow you into the expansion? It can even sum up all the lore if thats what you want! There is no reason this is how it has to be.

[Lambdafish]

Heres an idea- Why not have ONE chain quest to allow you into the expansion? It can even sum up all the lore if thats what you want! There is no reason this is how it has to be.

I'll just put this out there, avoiding spoilers, the DRK questline makes it quite clear that canonically it is set after the events of 2.55 by referencing things that have happened in the world. If you had done the story you would know that the world is a very different place than it was at the end of 2.0 and a lot has happened. As someone who played through all of 2.x story, it is very hard to imagine a shortcut as the content (mostly 2.3/2.4 onwards) is integral to most aspects of the expansion, and a simple summary would not do justice or cover all of the plot points needed for Heavensward to make sense. Moving forward, SE stated that they are working on a system to be able to do 4.0 without doing 3.0 from the start, so look forward to it.

I have no problem with people being really into the story. I agree however, that making content easier so lower tier players can watch it like a TV show makes raiding a joke. I haven't been to that point in this game but I've seen it in many other games. Again the difference is- I accept people who really enjoy the story. But all these people apparently reject me because I just want to play with my friends? Who would have thought a bunch of nerds (no insult intended) would be so incredibly closed minded and ignorant to the preferences of others? Ironic.

I think you missed the point of my argument in that what you are asking for is as bad as what these players asked for. What you are asking for is a system that would water down the story to its bare bones, so that it can be summarised for you in a simple chain quest, what happens with leviathan, the politics of ul'dah and limsa, shiva, and the ascians, are all important to the context of ishgard, and I cant see a way of making it bitesize for your enjoyment without sacrificing future story revelations that rely on prior knowledge (in other words, think about what happened to exciting raids in 3.0)

[zbtiqua]

I think you missed the point of my argument in that what you are asking for is as bad as what these players asked for. What you are asking for is a system that would water down the story to its bare bones, so that it can be summarised for you in a simple chain quest, what happens with leviathan, the politics of ul'dah and limsa, shiva, and the ascians, are all important to the context of ishgard, and I cant see a way of making it bitesize for your enjoyment without sacrificing future story revelations that rely on prior knowledge (in other words, think about what happened to exciting raids in 3.0)

Sounds like poor design honestly. But if somehow the writers did back themselves into a corner where this cannot be logically avoided, they could have at least made the quests as rewarding as normal quests. The fact that I am getting 4500xp from these when normal quests give you 13000+xp screams to me lazy design.

[Berethos]

Sounds like poor design honestly. But if somehow the writers did back themselves into a corner where this cannot be logically avoided, they could have at least made the quests as rewarding as normal quests. The fact that I am getting 4500xp from these when normal quests give you 13000+xp screams to me lazy design.

Or intended design, such that doing the quests won't put you too far beyond the intended level for the next steps when you reach Heavensward quests.

Kind of like how experiencing the story, and being required to, is intended design. Good luck convincing the developers to change their vision because you feel inconvenienced. You'll need a lot of luck with that.

[Avin00]

Why not? Because the story will conveniently not require it? I want every expansion from here forward to require all new players to go through all this old story crap I am doing now. You know why they wont? Because people DON'T WANT TO DO THIS! They wouldn't sell as many copies of the next expansion if new players knew they had to go through this additional pointless gate, and that's why it wont be there. And, that is exactly the same problem that still exists here. So while you seem to think you have made a great point against what I am saying here, you may not realize that you have also demonstrated that the problem exists.

See above you did insult the story.

[zbtiqua]

See above you did insult the story.

I was clearly, obviously referring to the 100+ old story quests locking players out of the expansion. Even if that were not the case pointing to this as a justification for the negativity here is an extreme reach.

[zbtiqua]

Also, you'll most likely NEVER be able to talk to the devs. At best you can catch the attention of a community manager who will then hopefully pass the word to the devs, but the chances are really low, considering this debate is done and over since a year ago

The fact that this debate was done and over in the past does not mean that they made a good decision. Example: The American Civil War. Plenty of people didn't like slavery. Someone could have said "You won't get the attention of government because this debate was done and over a hundred years ago. Slaves forever."

Are you prepared to conclude that all discussions which have ended must have made good decisions? Or are you ready to backpedal, and accept that MAYBE the status quo is still stupid.