100+ old quests to access expansion content...?

[kuma_aus]

Unless you are playing 24/7 the pre-HW story takes alot longer than a week. Some people only have a few hours a day to play, if that. The story is going to take a lot longer than a week. I came in late and had to play catch up by the time I got to post 2.0 content all the patches up to 2.55 had been released, it took me over a month's time to complete it. Actually had to stop playing it for a bit to keep some sanity.

Read what I said. OP said he's skipping the story, skipping all dialog, just playing the game. So yes, it will take much less than a week for him to finish 2.X content.

You must be new here. When the xpac was launched there were tons of multi-page threads debating this very topic.

And in those threads, did you see how many people would disagree with the points made by people who disliked the story requirement for the expansion?

[Niwashi]

That's a huge set of assumptions you have just made.

No more than you did yourself when you claimed "Like many players, I don't read anything." You're certainly not the only person who buys a game and doesn't want to actually play it, but it's far from common. Wanting to relax and play with your friends is great, but you can do that at any point in the game. It's no reason to skip everything.

Besides, if you are skipping every cutscene and clicking through every dialog, it will hardly take any time at all. It's certainly nowhere near the amount of content you've already done in the past week going from 1-50 and reaching the original endgame. I'm not really sure why someone would take that leveling for granted and yet balk at a few quests that don't take nearly such a time commitment.

Unless you are playing 24/7 the pre-HW story takes alot longer than a week. Some people only have a few hours a day to play, if that. The story is going to take a lot longer than a week. I came in late and had to play catch up by the time I got to post 2.0 content all the patches up to 2.55 had been released, it took me over a month's time to complete it.

Then I doubt you did the entire 2.0 line and leveled from 1-50 in a week as the OP claimed to have done. For someone who can finish 2.0 in a week, the 2.1 - 2.55 part is trivial in comparison.

[Canadane]

I don't read anything. I just want to relax and play with my friends. I skip every cutscene, I click thru every dialog.

This might not be the game for you.

[Kuwagami]

sorry to burst your bubble OP, but the majority of the playerbase comes from the FF fanbase, which is fond of the storyline, in every FF, this one included.

The great majority of the players enjoys the story, even as far as asking for story mode raids to enjoy every last bit of it. THAT is a fact. Also, the very reason why you get to have the HS story is because of this pre-HS section of quests. Don't want to do them ? Fine, don't ask to go in Ishgard then, as the lore says you can't.

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Just to point out that you find the game design to be stupid only because you don't care of the story, which gives more than enough reasons for that particular design to exist.

Also do not worry, the next extension won't require you to complete HS.


Also, you'll most likely NEVER be able to talk to the devs. At best you can catch the attention of a community manager who will then hopefully pass the word to the devs, but the chances are really low, considering this debate is done and over since a year ago

[zbtiqua]

This might not be the game for you.

I've heard this before in plenty of other games. Yes, I AM A SKIPPER. So what? I have been bashed by story loving players before for skipping story in other games. Look, I don't want to take the story away from you. I simply don't care about it while I am leveling.

I would point out to all the players arguing "This is not a game for skippers" that this is not your decision to make, friends. My post is targeted to the DEVS. If the developers who make this game do not want me to play it because I skip the story, that is a conversation I can have with them. But, IT'S NOT UP TO YOU! I am simply venting my frustration regarding the design of a part of the game, which I reiterate, is stupid.

[zbtiqua]

Just man up and deal with it.

First of all, I don't think an internet MMO forum is the best place to play the manliness card in an argument.

Second of all, as I said, I am dealing with it. The fact that I am dealing with it does not mean I like it, and it does not mean I can not voice my disagreement with it.

Third of all, do not degrade this discussion into personal attacks.

[Eye_Gore]

Then I doubt you did the entire 2.0 line and leveled from 1-50 in a week as the OP claimed to have done. For someone who can finish 2.0 in a week, the 2.1 - 2.55 part is trivial in comparison.

Guess I just saw that they said they leveled to 50 in a week or so. Guess I missed where they said they did the story line too. Leveling to 50 isn't all that hard.

[zbtiqua]

And in those threads, did you see how many people would disagree with the points made by people who disliked the story requirement for the expansion?

OK so we have established, as I stated before, that there are people on BOTH SIDES of this topic. Allow me to explain something: Just because you make an observation i.e. "The posts I see on the forum are more often in favor of going through the story" does not allow you to conclude that "Almost all players want you to have to go through the story." When you make a conclusion like this, it is predicated upon an unstated assumption. In this case, your assumption is "All groups of players are equally represented by forum activity."

Did you ever stop to consider that maybe people who really like the story or roleplaying or whatnot might also just be more active on the forums? Could it be possible that people who do not care about the story, are also more likely not to care about the forums?

[zbtiqua]

Fine, don't ask to go in Ishgard then, as the lore says you can't.


Also do not worry, the next extension won't require you to complete HS.

Why not? Because the story will conveniently not require it? I want every expansion from here forward to require all new players to go through all this old story crap I am doing now. You know why they wont? Because people DON'T WANT TO DO THIS! They wouldn't sell as many copies of the next expansion if new players knew they had to go through this additional pointless gate, and that's why it wont be there. And, that is exactly the same problem that still exists here. So while you seem to think you have made a great point against what I am saying here, you may not realize that you have also demonstrated that the problem exists.

[zbtiqua]

Also, you'll most likely NEVER be able to talk to the devs. At best you can catch the attention of a community manager who will then hopefully pass the word to the devs, but the chances are really low, considering this debate is done and over since a year ago

The fact that this debate was done and over in the past does not mean that they made a good decision. Example: The American Civil War. Plenty of people didn't like slavery. Someone could have said "You won't get the attention of government because this debate was done and over a hundred years ago. Slaves forever."

Are you prepared to conclude that all discussions which have ended must have made good decisions? Or are you ready to backpedal, and accept that MAYBE the status quo is still stupid.