Consoles are holding this game back (graphically)

[Serilda]

I thought seekers was already not available for ps2 in NA?

It was available for PS2 in Japan though. I played on PS2 right up until February when I gave up and reactivated my lapsed XIV subscription because they kept introducing game-breaking PS2-only glitches and I was destroying my group's ability to progress in difficult content with all of the crashing. I tried to upgrade to PS3 but they never got the client working right (and dropped it when Sony dropped backwards compatibility) so I was sort of stuck on PS2. It was bittersweet to see the announcement that the game was coming to an end right after I left.

It would be nice if they could drop PS3 support for XIV before the PS3 crowd end up being forced out in similar circumstances to mine, but I think most people will naturally upgrade over time and there's a lot of room for graphic bumps on the PC even with the PS3 existing. The 'PC only' elitists are lucky that they don't know what it's like to be unable to upgrade their technology regularly; if giving elitists like the guy who created this thread slightly nicer looking rocks means losing hundreds of thousands of players on consoles and low spec PCs , I'm reasonably confident that I know which option YoshiP's team will pick.

[Imoen]

Yes, it did.



True, but the Xbox 360 version was still getting updates, expansions, and add-ons.

Interesting, not that I am that surprised, as the 360 had a pretty huge upswing in popularity.

It was available for PS2 in Japan though. I played on PS2 right up until February when I gave up and reactivated my lapsed XIV subscription because they kept introducing game-breaking PS2-only glitches and I was destroying my group's ability to progress in difficult content with all of the crashing. I tried to upgrade to PS3 but they never got the client working right (and dropped it when Sony dropped backwards compatibility) so I was sort of stuck on PS2. It was bittersweet to see the announcement that the game was coming to an end right after I left.

It would be nice if they could drop PS3 support for XIV before the PS3 crowd end up being forced out in similar circumstances to mine, but I think most people will naturally upgrade over time and there's a lot of room for graphic bumps on the PC even with the PS3 existing. The 'PC only' elitists are lucky that they don't know what it's like to be unable to upgrade their technology regularly; if giving elitists like the guy who created this thread slightly nicer looking rocks means losing hundreds of thousands of players on consoles and low spec PCs , I'm reasonably confident that I know which option YoshiP's team will pick.

ya I knew it was available in JP edition. Just seems odd that they continued Xbox support at the same time w/e marketing decision I guess it makes sense. I wonder if any of this had to do with the slim releases and not having a HDD ect... Anyway ya the game seemed dead to me long ago on ps2 before even seekers so ya I didn't keep much track of it after that, thanks for the responses.

Ya pc graphics are not hindered by the consoles at all. There is no reason they can not be improved, as long as the gameplay, and functionality remain on the consoles then it shouldn't stop anything. UI is a thing because that is Functionality. However a PC having higher texture rez doesn't effect console in the slightest. (Unless you include eyesore)

[BristolRuss]

Yeah... lets compare a full-sized mob to a minion. That's sure to point out the graphical differences.

Compare the opening to the Howling Eye then.

1.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0A-o8P4MRY

ARR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKBzi-JSb-o

1.0 has much better lighting and effects.It's really not a stretch to say that the PS3 is holding back what this game is capable of. When they are designing content they have to make sure that all currently supported platforms can run it; that being PC, PS4 and PS3. Therefore all platforms are being held back by the weakest link. The PS3 came out in 2006, therefore the graphics card (GPU) in the console is currently 9 years old. On PC, the recommend GPU's are Nvidia GTX 660 and the Radeon HD 7950, both of which came out in 2012. Then we get to the RAM available. The PS3 has 512mb of RAM (256mb system RAM and 256mb VRAM). The minimum that the PC version requires is 2GB, but they recommend 4GB for DX9 and 8GB for DX11. So you see, when they are creating content they have to make sure that a machine with a 9 year old GPU and only 512mb of RAM is capable of running it; and because of these very low specs they can't create the big, expansive content that Yoshi-P has talked about wanting to make - the PS3 just couldn't handle it.

So yes, they really do need to drop PS3 support so we can get a better game. It's amazing what they have been able to achieve whilst being held back by PS3 limitations. But it's time to take the old PS3 out back and put it out of it's misery. It's for the best.

[Gilraen]

Wow... people really are glossing over a large portion of the community demographic just to single out the PS3. Graphics on the PC isn't a result of the presence of the PS3, it's the result of a lack of a majority presence of high-end gaming rigs. Many PC players in this very thread have posted that any kind of bump back towards 1.0's graphical fidelity would ultimately exclude them from the game. Even I have noted that my laptop could only manage 1.0 at medium settings, and it was a relatively new gaming laptop at the time. It's an Asus g53sx with a lot of RAM and VRAM. When they are creating new content they have to take into account not just the consoles, but also the near infinite variance of the PC itself. Doesn't matter if they drop the PS3 today, tomorrow or 2 years from now. As long as the PC remains an unknown quantity you're still going to have graphics set for the lowest common denominator as of 2013.

[enthauptet]

Prepare for butthurt when the next expansion is announced to have PS3 support.

If it comes out next year it probably will. I imagine sony will kill the PS3 next year in the US based on nobody I know talking about PS3 games coming out but who knows they seem addicted to it. Regarding graphics quality, improved texture resolution could be implemented both on the PC and the PS4 which is a great platform for 1080 resolution with no real big limitations for that resolution. That would be a simple way to improve the look a lot without killing performance from making realistic looking grass or something. For anyone that thinks the PS3 is fine and does not limit playability try using PS3 version of destiny and then the PS4 version, even the menuing system is absurdly slow on PS3 and 360.

[Wildsprite]

So yes, they really do need to drop PS3 support so we can get a better game. It's amazing what they have been able to achieve whilst being held back by PS3 limitations. But it's time to take the old PS3 out back and put it out of it's misery. It's for the best.

They said PS3 would keep support throughout 3.0 but they had no plans to keep PS3 support beyond that. so likely 4.0 will have no PS3 support.

If it comes out next year it probably will. I imagine sony will kill the PS3 next year in the US based on nobody I know talking about PS3 games coming out but who knows they seem addicted to it. Regarding graphics quality, improved texture resolution could be implemented both on the PC and the PS4 which is a great platform for 1080 resolution with no real big limitations for that resolution. That would be a simple way to improve the look a lot without killing performance from making realistic looking grass or something.

they still have quite a bit of the story for 3.0 planned. somehow I doubt 4.0 is coming next year.

[enthauptet]

they still have quite a bit of the story for 3.0 planned. somehow I doubt 4.0 is coming next year.

That is true I was just using it as hypothetical.

Regarding OP specifically, more so than holding back the game graphically, catering to the limited capabilities of the PS3 means that certain encounters, etc. are not possible so it is more holding the game back in general than graphics wise which is kind of unimportant IMO.

[BristolRuss]

When they are creating new content they have to take into account not just the consoles, but also the near infinite variance of the PC itself.

While you are very right in what you say here, that is why they have a minimum spec that you have to meet on the PC. And the minimum spec is a lot beefier than what the PS3 can manage. If they dropped PS3 support they would have four times the amount of memory at their disposal. Have you seen all the threads on here asking for more inventory space only to be told that it is not possible because of memory constraints? Where do you think those constraints are coming from? Dropping PS3 support would not only allow the graphics to improve, but we would likely see lots more features implemented when they have more memory to work with.

I'm not advocating that we return to the time of 1.0's graphics (whilst pretty, they were terribly optimised). But I do think that the graphics can be improved from where we are now with little more 'horsepower' required. Hell, HD texture packs would be a welcome start. Yes it does suck for people on PS3 who would have to upgrade their console (or switch to PC); but this is why they had the free upgrade scheme running for such a long time.

[Wildsprite]

If they dropped PS3 support they would have four times the amount of memory at their disposal.

that isnt entirely true. the PS3 has a lot less of an overhead with it's OS than the PC does(windows is a beast of an OS in both space and memory requirements and people often forget to take that into account) so at best if people meet the minimum with the PC it is more likely they will have double the memory to work with tops.

[BristolRuss]

that isnt entirely true. the PS3 has a lot less of an overhead with it's OS than the PC does(windows is a beast of an OS and people often forget to take that into account) so at best if people meet the minimum with the PC it is more likely they will have double the memory to work with tops.

True. Then again, if they were to drop PS3 support I wouldn't be surprised if they also upped the minimum specs required at the same time. I would wager that the overwhelming majority of PC users are using machines with much higher specs than the minimum required.